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THINK WE CAN WE CAN START JUST TO KEEP IT OFFICIAL. ALL RIGHT. 6:00. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS SPECIAL PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER. WE& CAN GO AHEAD AND START BY RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND, MR. REESE, I BELIEVE WEE& HAVE A QUORUM. YES, SIR. WE DID MEET A QUORUM. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY ABSENCES? YES, SIR. WE DO HAVE MR. BARRY AND BORREGO..& BORREGO? EXCUSED. YES, SIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO EXCUSE. ABSENT COMMISSION MEMBERS. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. JOHN MELENDEZ. HIGH. RODRIGUEZ. HIGH. AVILA.
HI. HI. HI. OKAY. AND, MR. REESE, IF I CAN JUST TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO JUST TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THIS MEETING. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE ABLE TOO& MAKE IT OUT HERE TODAY. I KNOWW& IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING, AND ITT& DOESN'T GO UNRECOGNIZED THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IS VOLUNTEER. SO I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING DOWN HERE FOR THIS SPECIAL MEETING. I ESPECIALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, MR. REESE, AND ESPECIALLY MR. RUBIO, FOR DOING ALL THE LEGWORK AND ALL THE HARD WORK, NOT JUST ON THIS PROJECT, BUT NUMEROUS OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THIS BODY. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING T& LISTEN TO TODAY WILL HELP IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND BEGIN TOO& PROPEL OUR TOWN INTO GREATER INITIATIVES. WITH THAT, MR. REESE, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO YOU.
OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO NUMBER THREE, OPEN FORUM. NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SIR. EXCUSE ME. AND
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MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM FOUR A DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE PRESENTATION BY CITY ON THE NEW ZONING CODE FOR THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREA. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS RUBIO, PLANNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF AND THE MAYOR ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FINALLY, THE TOD FORM BASED CODE COMING TO FRUITION. THISS& HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD PROJECT THAT WE'VE HAD MR. CARLOS GAYNOR WHO'S WITH ABLE CITY. THEY ALSO& DID THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE TOD. SO THIS IS JUST A FOLLOW UP OF THAT. SO REALLY EXCITED TO FINALLY SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION. AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WITH THE PRODUCT THAT THEY, THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US. IT'S VERY DETAILED. IT'S GOT GREAT GRAPHICS. I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME INTO TOO& EFFECT. SO MR. CARLOS GALLINAT WILL BE PRESENTING THIS THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU ARI..& GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. CARLOS GALLINA WITH THE CITY. HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU ONCE AGAIN AND TO SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES. AS ART MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP OF HORIZON CITY NOW FOR MAYBE 3 OR 4 YEARS. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, OUR FIRM DID THE DESIGN, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH IN A WAY WERE A STOPGAP MEASURE FOR THE PARCEL THAT'S I& FRONT OF US. RIGHT. RECOGNIZING THAT, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL, BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THAT LAND IS ENTITLED BY PROPERTY OWNERS TOO& DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN THE LAW OF HORIZON, THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE A MEASURE TOO& SAY, HEY, LET'S ENCOURAGE IF WE CAN, DEVELOPERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO. BUT LASTT& YEAR WE THEN WORKED WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO DO THE SITE PLAN AND SITE LOCATION AND BUILDING SITING FOR THE TOD PLAZA AND CITY HALL. AND THEN THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AS I'LL GO IN GREATER DETAIL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CONVERTING YOUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH WERE JUST GUIDELINES, RIGHT? PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE TOO& ABIDE BY THEM. CONVERTING THOSE GUIDELINES INTO A CODE, A CODIFIED THAT IS A REGULATION THAT MOVING FORWARD, IF ADOPTED[00:05:04]
BY THIS BODY AS A RECOMMENDATION TO YOUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WOULD THEN BE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY IN TERMS OF DESIGN. SO WITH THAT, LET ME JUST GET STARTED. LET ME SEE IF I COULD DO THIS CORRECTLY. SO AGAIN INTRODUCTION. THIS IS JUST PART OF THE TEAM. SO WE ARE A SUBCONSULTANT TO THE CAMINO REAL REGIONAL MOBILITY AUTHORITY. AS YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ENTITY THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP FOR MANY YEARS NOW ON SEVERAL PROJECTS. THIS IS PARTT& OF THE PLANNING TEAM. THIS IS A& LITTLE BIT OF THE TIMELINE. SO OUR MOST RECENT SCOPE HAS TWO ELEMENTS. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FORM BASED CODE PROJECT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE ACTUAL REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES. SO FOR TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND CODIFYING OF A FORM BASED CODE. AGAIN ESSENTIALLY TOO& LEGALIZE A CODE FOR YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. AND THENN& THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH WOULD KICK OFF IN MAY, APRIL, SUMMERR& IN AUGUST, WOULD BE THE REZONING PROJECT. SO KUDOS TO YOU, YOUR LEADERSHIP. KUDOS TO YOU. KUDOS TO YOUR STAFF. MR. AVILA, YOU'RE 1,000% CORRECT. IT TAKES LEADERSHIP. IT TAKES VISION FROM ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, FROM ELECTED BODIES TO VOLUNTEER BODIES TO YOUR STAFF, TO REALLY SET A VISION FORWARD, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN DOING NOW FOR OUR OUR TENURE WITH YOU HAS BEENN& ABOUT 3 OR 4 YEARS. BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS NOW FOR CLOSE TO EIGHT, NINE, TEN YEARS ON THIS PROJECT& SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK TIMELINE. AGAIN, WE STARTED BAC& IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND THEN FEBRUARY, MARCH. WE ARE NOW WORKING TOWARDS CODIFYING WHAT'& IN FRONT OF YOU. AS I MENTIONED. SO THIS PROJECT IS NOT NEW. THIS ACTUALLY CAME FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHAPING OUR HORIZON 2030. IN 2019, THE TOWN LEADERSHIP RECOGNIZED THE NEEDD& FOR A DELIBERATE ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT CONDITIONS AND A THOUGHTFUL VISION FOR TOMORROW.THIS IS TAKEN STRAIGHT OUT OFF& YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOO& PROMOTE AND FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRANSIT SUPPORTED TOWN CENTER. AND SO YOU SET THE WHEELS IN MOTION BACK IN 20199& AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS, SEVERAL YEARS YOU HAVE NOW BEEN CHIPPING AWAY AT WHAT WILL BECOME A REALLY GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL AND EXCITING TOWN CENTER FOR THE TOWN OF HORIZON.& AND NOT REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, I'M BASED IN EL PASO, SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN SOCORRO AND CLINT AND EAST EL PASO. THIS REALLYY& WILL BE AN ATTRACTION NOT ONLYY& FOR THE TOWNSHIP OF HORIZON AND YOUR RESIDENTS AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT REALLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF EAST EL PASO. EAST EL PASO COUNTY. SO IT'S FOR A FIRM LIKE US THAT WORKS IN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. IT'S ALWAYS REALLY EXCITING TO SEEE& THE PROJECT STEP BY STEP. HOPE.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS AND MY GRANDKIDS COME AND SPEND SOME MONEY DOWN HERE AND MAYBE LIVE DOWN HERE AND EXPERIENCE THE SHOPPING AND THE DINING. THAT CERTAINLY IS WHAT THE VISION THAT YOU ALL HAVE SET FOR YOURSELVES. SO SUPER EXCITED TO BE A PART OF IT. IN TERMS OF THE TOD TRANSIT PLAZA AGAIN, JUST QUICKLY IN AUGUST OF 2024, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL VOTED TOO& APPROVE THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED. SO THIS WAS AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN A LITTLE BIT OF GREATER CONTEXT. SO THIS IS THE TRANSIT CENTER FOR YOUR BUSSES, FOR YOUR CITY HALL, WHICH IS FRONTING ROTMAN OR TOWARDS THE ROTMAN SIDE OF THE PARCEL. IT UTILIZES CITY OWNED PARCELS. IT INCREASES OPEN SPACE. IT'S THEE& MOST EFFICIENT COMBINING FACILITIES AND GREAT ADJACENCIES. WITH CORBIN PARK. WE HAD PROVIDED AT THAT TIME,,& THE STAFF AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE SITE PLAN, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT THEY CHOSE. AND SO AGAIN, AS YOU'RE THINKING OF THIS AS A PIECE OF A, OF A GREATER PUZZLE, YOU NOW HAVE A SITE PLAN OF WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS CITY STAFF ISS& NOW WORKING TOWARDS TRYING TOO& GET FUNDING AND START DOWN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THIS, THIS PARCEL OF LAND. THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO AGAIN,,& YOU HAVE THE BAYS FOR THE BUSSES, YOU HAVE YOUR CITY HALL, YOU HAVE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL TRANSIT TERMINAL. IT'S A PARK AND RIDE CONCEPT. SO RESIDENTS FROM HORIZON WOULD BE ABLE TOO& PARK HERE. THE IDEA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS TO ALSO ENCOURAGE RIDERSHIP TO UTEP TOO& AND FROM UTEP. AND SO THE IDEAA& HERE IS FOR RESIDENTS OF HORIZON WHO CHOOSE TO ATTEND UTEP CAN NOW HAVE AN OPTION BESIDES HAVING TO DRIVE AND GET ON I-10 TO GET TO UTEP. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE PROVIDED YOU ALL LAST YEAR, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN, AS YOU START TO THINK OF CREATING PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, RIGHT, YOU START TO NOW SEE THE TOWN CENTERS START TOO& TAKE SHAPE. I DO WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SPEAKING ABOUT THE FORM BASED CODE. SO AGAIN, AS ART MENTIONED AND I MENTIONED, WE'RE TAKING THE GUIDELINES AND CODIFYING THEM INTO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ZONING CODE. RIGHT? I ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I, THAT THERE'S SOME THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS
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THAT WE THAT WE CAME ACROSS. RIGHT. SO THIS IS ABOUT A 60 ACRE PIECE OF LAND. IT'S AN INFILL PROJECT. RIGHT? THIS IS A PIECE OF LAND THAT HAS BEEN SORT OF LEAPFROGGED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE FRAGMENTED OWNERSHIP, OWNERSHIP THAT IS ABSENTEE. THAT IS NOT MANY, NOT ALL, BUT SOME OF WHICH ARE NOT LIVING IN HORIZON. AND SO IT IS IN SOME WAYS A REALLY SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT SITE TO START TO DEVELOP. RIGHT. IF WE JUSTT& BACK UP FOR A MINUTE, IF YOU GUYS HAD SAID, HEY, ABLE CITY OR ANY OTHER ENGINEER OR ANY OTHER ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, WE HAVE 60 ACRES CARTE BLANCHE. DO WHATEVE& YOU WANT WITH IT. MASTER PLAN FOR US, A TOWN CENTER. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCESS. RIGHT? AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE LAND IS ALREADY PLATTED. AND SO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS LOOKING AT PLATS, RIGHT. ONCE YOU PLAT THE LAND, YOU'RE CARVING IT INTO, INTO LOTS, YOU'RE CARVING INTO THE STREET RIGHTS AWAY. YOU'RE INN& SOME INSTANCES NOT SO MUCH HERE. YOU'RE YOU'RE ALLOCATING INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS, WHATNOT, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE ALREADY HAD A BLOCK STRUCTURE TO WORK WITH. AND IN A FORM BASED CODE, THE BLOCK STRUCTURE IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU SORT OF WANT TO TIDY SMALLER TYPES OF BLOCKS THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABLE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, AGAIN, I DON'T, YOUU& KNOW, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T GO DOWN THE PATH OF MASTER PLANNING THIS FROM A, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A BLANK SLATE. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WE MIGHT HAVE WEE& MIGHT HAVE ENDED AT A SIMILAR BLOCK STRUCTURE THAN YOU HAVE. SO THE BLOCK STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE IS NOT IS ACTUALLY NOT TERRIBLE. IT'S ACTUALLY A REALL& NICE COMPACT. AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN JUST A MINUTE RIGHT AS WE STUDY IT. IT'S A REALLY NICE COMPACT SORT OF BLOCK STRUCTURE.BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAD TO START WORKING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. RIGHT. SO NUMBER ONE AGAIN IT'S ALREADY PLATTED. YOUR LOT SIZES ARE ESTABLISHED WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. AND I'LL POINT IT OUT TO YOU AS WE LOOK AT THE TRANSECTS. YOUR STREET NETWORK IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED. AND THEN THERE'S NO MASTER PLAN. RIGHT. AGAIN, SO WE LOOKED AT IT NOT ONLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, HEY, LET'S CODIFY THE GUIDELINE& IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT CODIFY THEM IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOUR STAFF AND EASIER FOR YOU FOR NOT HAVING T& REPLAT THERE'S SOME INSTANCES, I THINK, ON A BLOCK BY BLOCK LEVEL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TOO& REPLAT, RIGHT? AS DEVELOPERS START TO COME IN AND START TO AS THEY ALREADY STARTED TO DO, ASSEMBLE LAND INTO, INTO A LARGER PIECES OF LAND. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE CODE AGAIN, WE CALIBRATED IT IN A WAY THAT THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND AS, AS PER YOUR AS PER THE DIFFERENT PLATS THAT YOU HAVE. AND THEN AGAIN, LET ME JUST SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO THIS IS YOUR EXISTING CURRENT ZONE. SOO& IT'S MOSTLY OUR TWOS AND FOURS.& AND THEN YOU HAVE ON HORIZON AND DARRINGTON ON THAT CORNER AS YOU KNOW, WHERE THE STARBUCKS IS, THE GAS STATION, THE BANK ACROS& THE STREET. THOSE ARE C1, WHICH IS TYPICALLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. AND SO IF AGAIN, WHICH I THINK IS SUPER EXTRAORDINARY FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO GO DOWN THE PATH THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TOWARDS, RIGHT? IF YOU DO NOTHING OR HAD DONE NOTHING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, MORE THAN LIKELY THISS& PIECE OF LAND WOULD HAVE STAYED VACANT FOREVER UNTIL SOMEONE WITH ENOUGH RESOURCES STARTED T& COBBLE UP PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EYESORE, AS IT CURRENTLY IS TOO& SOME DEGREE. AND IT WOULD HAVE JUST NOT. IT WOULDN'T GENERATE TAXES. IT WOULDN'T. IT WOULDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR TOWNSHIPP& RIGHT IN, IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. AND IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF STARTING TOO& DEVELOP, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD AGAIN. BUT FOR THE COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD 90% OF IT ALL SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, TYPICAL OF YOUR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS AS WE ALL KNOW, HORIZON IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY SUBURB T& THE LARGER AREA OF EL PASO. AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE SAME PATH. I'M NOT I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT'S GOOD OR BAD..& IT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, RIGHT? SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL. AND SO THIS IS YOUR EXISTING CURRENT ZONE AND THISS& IS THE PROPOSED FORM BASED CODE. AND SO I'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SPEAKING ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT ESSENTIALLY A FORM BASED CODE UNLIKE A WHAT W& CALL EUCLIDEAN. IT'S A EUCLIDEAN ZONING CODE LOOKS AT THE FORM OF BUILDINGS AND THE FORM OF THINGS IN CONNECTION TO EACH OTHER. SO BUILDINGS AND STREETS SORT OF SPEAK TO EACH OTHER. I'LL I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST AA& MINUTE. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS YOU HAVE THE CIVIC ZONE, WHICH IS THE PARCELS IN GREEN. SO I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A. A POINTER OR DO I, SO YOU CAN USE THIS. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU SEE THE CIVIC ZONES IS RIGHT HERE. SO THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE IS ON THIS
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MAP, THE PARCELS THAT ARE HASHED OUT MEANS THAT THEY'RE OWNED BY& THE CITY ALREADY. AND SO YOU HAVE A PARCEL THAT IS ALREADY OWNED BY YOU. AND THIS WOULD BE YOUR TRANSIT PLAZA THAT I JUST MENTIONED. AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE MASTER PLANNING TOO& SOME DEGREE, RIGHT. IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, IN A PLACE LIKE THIS, YOU WANT SOME DEGREE OF OPEN SPACE. SO WE ALLOCATED THIS PARK RIGHT HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY SO THAT WOULD BE THE CIVIC SPACES. LET ME GO BACK I'M SORRY. THAT WOULD BE THE CIVIC SPACES. AND THEN T THREE IS ESSENTIALLY T THREE IS ESSENTIALLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IF YOU WILL. T FOUR& IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU'RE LOOK THINK OF IT AS A TRANSITIO& RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TRANSITIONING FROM SOMEWHAT LOW DENSITY SINGL& FAMILY RESIDENTIAL T FOURR& RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME MIXED USE& BUT THE RESIDENTIAL IS NO LONGER SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S CONDO, TOWNHOMES, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY. AND THEN YOUR T FIVE. THINK OF IT AS YOUR TOWN CENTER.THE MAXIMUM OF FLOORS ON THE T FIVE, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH YOUR STAFF, IS FOUR STORIES. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR WHOMEVER IS WATCHING THIS OR WHOMEVER MAY NOT BEE& FAMILIAR WITH THIS, DON'T HAVE THIS IMAGINATION THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SUPER DENSIFIED LIK& NEW YORK, RIGHT? IT REALLY IS NOT. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN. AND WITH SOME TRANSITION AREAS BETWEEN WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE THAT THE, THE, THE YELLOW, WHICH IS THE T THREE IS A TRANSITION FROM THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HARSH IMPACT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS AS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABUTTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN AGAIN, AS YOU AS YOU START GOING TOWARDS YOUR QUOTE UNQUOTE DOWNTOWN OR YOUR TOWN CENTER, I& GETS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN DENSITY. SO THIS IS, AGAIN, YOU'RE TAKING YOUR CURRENT ZONING TO THE PROPOSED TRANS TRANSECT FORM BASED CODE. JUST QUICKLY, THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING, YOU KNOW, IT FOCUSES ON REGULATING LAND USES, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS DEVELOPED 100 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WHEN IT MADE SENSE TO SEPARATE OBNOXIOUS USES LIKE FACTORIES AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WERE SPEWING OUT SMOKE. IT MADE SENSE TO SEPARATE THEM FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT HAS BEEN THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. SO THE REASON THAT EL PASO NEW SUBDIVISIONS LOOK LIKE THE ONES IN HORIZON OR SOCORRO IS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL USING THE SAME SORT OF EUCLIDEAN ZONE, RIGHT, WHICH SEPARATES USES. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT NOT TO PASS JUDGMENT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THESE THINGS HAVE WORKED OUT. RIGHT. BUT THE STRUCTURE OF A EUCLIDEAN ZONING& ON THE STRUCTURES, IT DIVIDES LAND INTO DISTRICTS. THE GOAL IS TO SEPARATE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, AS I MENTIONED, AND THEN SOME COMMON ISSUES. THIS CAN LEAD TO URBAN SPRAWL, CAR DEPENDENCY, AND LACK OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AN EXAMPLE IS SORT OF AGAIN THE SUBURBS OF EL PASO, THE SUBURBS OF HORIZON CITY. A FORM BASED CODE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, RIGHT? SO IT REGULATES PHYSICAL FORM. IT STILL REGULATES LAND USE. I WAN& TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
BUT IT SORT OF THE LAND USES ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE FORM OF THE BUILDING. AND SO AND IT'S ALSO & LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE. IT ENCOURAGES WALKABILITY. IT ENCOURAGES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND IT IT SORT OF TO SOME DEGREE, NOT ENTIRELYY& BECAUSE THE STATE, TEXAS, AS YO& MIGHT KNOW, DOES NOT LET YOU REGULATE ARCHITECTURAL LIKE THE WAY THAT A BUILDING SHOULD LOOK.
BUT BUT IT DOES THE FORM, THE BUILDINGS, THE SETBACKS. ALL THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD GET IN A EUCLIDEAN ZONE. RIGHT? SO THAT'& WHAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS OUTLINED. AND SO AGAIN YOU GO FROM T THREE AS I MENTIONED, TO T4 TO T5. AND THEN YOUR CIVIC ZONES ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE AS A PARK A& YOU WOULD HAVE AS A CITY HALL.
AND THEN THE T. SO JUST I KNOWW& I'M BEING LONG WINDED, FOLKS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT II& GET AS MUCH INFORMATION TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO& ALSO TALK ABOUT THE TOD. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FORM BASED CODE WITH A TOD. RIGHT? YOU ALL HAVE CHOSEN TO INCLUDE THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LAYER TO YOUR DOWNTOWN, TO YOUR TOWN CENTER, WHICH IS THE BUS SYSTEM. AS YOU'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION WITH EL PASO COUNTY. AND IT'S A REALLY GREAT THING BECAUSE AGAIN, NOW YOU'RE CHOOSING IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO WANT TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S NOT THE CAR. THEY NOW HAVE THAT RIGHT. AND IT'S EFFICIENT AND IT'S FAST AND IT'S COMPETING WITH THE AUTOMOBILE. AND GUESS WHAT? INSTEAD OF OWNING 2 OR 3 CARS, YOU COULD OWN ONE CAR, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TAKING THE BUS AND YOU'RE LIVING IN A DOWNTOWN AREA THAT ALLOWS YOU TO WALK TO A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT. YOUR JOB IF YOU WORK AT CITY HALL. AND SO AND THEN WITHIN THAT
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DISTRICT, IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE COMBINATION. IF SOME CHOOSE TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT LARGER FOU& STORY COMPLEX, YOU CAN, BUT OTHERS COULD ALSO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ALL WITHIN THAT SAME SORT OF 60 ACRE AREA. RIGHT? SO I WANTED JUST T& TALK ABOUT THE TOD BECAUSE IT I& AN ELEMENT OF YOUR DOWNTOWN. IT IS AN ELEMENT OF YOUR OF IT'S A TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND SO AGAIN, AS YOU THINK THROUGH ALL THE THINGSS& THAT YOU ARE DOING, IT CHECKS THE BOXES. IT ENCOURAGES A MIX OF USES, CONCENTRATES, DENSITY AROUND TRANSIT, SUPPORTS REPURPOSING AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT. COMPLETE STREETS. RIGHT. AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT JUSTT& NOT CREATING STREETS FOR THE CAR. IT'S FOR THE BUSSES, FOR PEDESTRIANS, FOR BICYCLISTS, AND THEN MANAGES PARKING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND THEN CREATES ENGAGING PUBLIC SPACES. SO AGAIN, HERE'S YOU THE PROPOSEDD& FORM BASED CODE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, ITT& LOOKS SIMILAR TO A ZONING CODE, RIGHT? THIS ONE HAS FOUR, I'M SORRY, EIGHT DIVISIONS. I'M GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THEM. SO AGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE OF USES YOU'RE STILL REGULATING REGULATING USES. BUT IT'S NOT IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU'RE YOU'RE ALSO REGULATING THE FORM. SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN TERMS OF YOUR REGULATIONS. AND SO IFF& YOU LOOK AT T3 YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS FOR A DUPLEX. IT ALLOWS FOR A SIDE YARD HOUSE, A COTTAGE, A SINGLE FAMILY. BUT THOSE THINGS LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY ISN'T ALLOWED IN THE T5. RIGHT. YOU SEE THAT. IT'S YOU SEE IT THERE OR DUPLEX ISN'T ALLOWED IN THE T5 OR A DETACHED& SINGLE FAMILY ISN'T ALLOWED INN& THE T4 AS WELL. RIGHT. SO YOU LOOK THESE ARE THE AREAS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN YOU HAVE LODGING, YOU HAVE OFFICE, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE CIVIC AND INSTITUTIONAL AND THEN YOU HAVE EDUCATION. AND SO AGAIN THE IDEA IS YOU WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WILL ALLOW SOME USES THAT MAKE SENSE WITHIN THE DENSITY, WITHI& THE FORM OF YOUR TOWN CENTER. AND YOU WILL DISALLOW OTHERS.RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TOO& ALLOW A USED CAR OUT A LOT IN A DOWNTOWN AS AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT.
YOU'RE ALLOWING A USES THAT MAK& SENSE WITHIN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY APARTMENTS, COFFEE SHOPS, RETAIL HOTELS, CIVIC USE& PARKS ALL AGAIN TO CREATE A REALLY GREAT, BEAUTIFUL TOWN CENTER FOR THE TOWN OF HORIZON. SO THIS IS THE TABLE OF PERMITTED. THE PERMITTED USES.
THIS IS YOUR T5. I'M HAPPY TOO& ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE IT. BUT ESSENTIALLY AGAIN YOU YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE THE SETBACKS. YOU STILL HAVE THE HEIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE LIMITATIONS ON HOW TALL YOUU& COULD BUILD, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THE ILLUSTRATIONS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR AT YOUR AT YOUR CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT, IT'S HARD TOO& INTERPRET. IT'S HARD TO MAKE SENSE OF IT. THIS IS SPELLED OUT FOR YOU WITH SOME DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE STAFF, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SORT OF MOVE TOWARDS EXPEDITING THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT QUICKER. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A T5 GIVES YOU THE DENSITY, GIVES YOU THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, GIVES IT OUTLINES FOR YOU THE SETBACKS WHERE PARKING SHOULD GO. THIS IS A T4 SO A LITTLE BIT MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME MIXED USE. AND THEN THIS IS YOUR T3 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MOSTLY. THE OTHER THING TOO THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON ON THE FORM BASED CODE IS YOU WANT TO ALLOW FOR FRONT PORCHES. AND SO SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU HAVE A SETBACK OF 20FT, RIGHT, THE SETBACK FROM THE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT OFF& THE HOUSE, DEVELOPERS CAN'T BUILD WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S THE SETBACK ON A FORM BASED CODE OR& SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD WITHIN THAT SETBACK SO THAT YOU ARE NOW NOT HAVING YOU'RE NOT THE DEVELOPER ISN'T LOSING SQUARE FOOTAGE BY HAVING TO PUSH THE HOUSE BACK T& ACCOMMODATE THE FRONT PORCH. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT IN THAT ENCROACHMENT BY RIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A VARIANCE OR WARRANT, OR HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. YOU'RE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO PUT THE FRONT PORCH, AND IT'S ENCOURAGED TO PUT THE FRONT PORCH. AND SAME THING WITH IN YOUR T5 TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR DINING TABLES OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S WHY YOUR SIDEWALKS ARE A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND THEN YOUR CIVIC BUILDINGS.
YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, I DID WANT TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE FRONTAGE. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. THE FRONTAGE WITH THE WITH THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT SHOWS THE SETBACK IS 3030 MINIMUM. RIGHT, 30IN MINIMUM. IT DOES 30FT. 30FT. I CAN'T SEE THAT.
OKAY. 30FT. THAT'S. IS THAT GOING TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ADA GUIDELINES. IS THAT GOING T& BE SUFFICIENT. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S LIKE 36. SO TYPICALLY ON A SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO TYPICALLY LIKE LIKE LET'S WITHOUT THE FORM BASED CODE. RIGHT. CORRECT. TYPICALLY THE
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DEVELOPER WANTS A AT LEAST A MINIMUM 20FT BECAUSE IT ACCOMMODATES THE CAR OKAY.RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY AMOUNTS OKAY. ON A FORM BASED CODE, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD. AND AGAIN WE GO BACK TO THE TO THE BLOCK STRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE. YOU WOULD HAVE HAD AN ALLEY. AND SO THE YOUR SETBACK WOULD ACTUALLY NOT HAVE BEEN 30FT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOREE& LIKE TEN FEET, ENOUGH TOO& ACCOMMODATE THE FRONT PORCH SOO& THAT THE FRONT PORCH IS MAYBE 4 OR 5FT AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK AND A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. SO NOW I'M LOOKING INTO THE STREET. I'M ENGAGING WITH MY NEIGHBOR. SO W& DID IT THE 30FT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ALLEYS. AND SO I& GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. TO YOUR POINT ABOUT ALLOWING THE CAR. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ADA, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER BUILDING, WHATEVER BUILDING CODES ARE REQUIRED. SO THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY. OKAY. AND SOO& THE 30FT IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN YOU WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE. OKAY. BUT ONLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE WEE& HAVE, BUT IT'S EXISTING. IT'S EXISTING NOW. AND THE OTHER THING TOO THAT DEVELOPERS COULD DO IS THAT THEY COULD LIKE SO AGAIN. RIGHT. TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE A THE GARAGE BEING THE FOCAL POINT OF A HOUSE HERE. YOU WANT THE FRONT PORCH AND THE DOOR AND THE AND THE, THE, THE,& THE HOUSE TO BE THE FOCAL POINT. BUT IT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TOO& RECESS THE GARAGE AND BRING THE FRONT DOOR FORWARD. RIGHT. SOO& THE GARAGE IS MAYBE 30, 40FT TOWARDS THE BACK, BUT THE BUT THE FRONT DOOR AND THE FRONT PORCH IS STILL CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK, TO THE SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S WHY IT ALLOWS YOU THAT LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY. AND THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW THAT EACH ONE IS GOING TOO& BE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE LOTS AND SUCH FORTH. SO I JUST WANTED TO& MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE ADA, BECAUSE I KNOW I SOMETIMES HAVE& TO USE A WHEELCHAIR. SO YES MA'AM, FOR SURE. SOME WHEELCHAIRS ARE DIFFERENT SIZES.
YES. AND YOU DON'T YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE THAT YOU NEED TO ASSIST WITH THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. SO& THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF SIDEWALKS EVEN JUST HERE IN TOWN. YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY SIDEWALK YOU GO HAS A RAMP AT THE END OF THE SIDEWALK WHERE THE STOP SIGN IS AT, YOU KNOW? SO THINGS LIKE THAT. I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT SO THAT'S THAT'S GOING TOO& BE. YEAH. CORRECT. IF IT'S STILL IF IT'S IF THAT WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE. APPLICABLE. YES..& PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH..& YEAH. NO PROBLEM. OF COURSE. THEN ALSO MR. YES, SIR. I'M WONDERING DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, HAVING ANY IMPACTS ON OUR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BANK OR THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW, SO WHETHER IT'S OUR OUR I'M SORRY,& YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. YES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE STARTED TO LOOK AT THAT ART IN TERMS OF THE CAPACITY OF THE ELECTRICITY TO SERVICE. SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH H.R. MUD AND THEN ALL THE OTHER UTILITIES OR WHATEVER. BUT JUST JUST AS A NOTE, THE SUBDIVISION HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
IT HAS THE EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT READY FOR IT, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING T& DO. SO THEY MAY NEED TO REPLANT THOSE PROPERTIES TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. SO LIKE LIKE CARLOS SAID, IT'S VERY UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE IT IT'S A SUBDIVISION THAT IS PLATTED ON PAPER, BUT IT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WITH WITH THE DIFFERENT UTILITIES. THEY'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN INVITING THEM T& MEETINGS AND ALL THAT. SOO& THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE ALSO, SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR BRINGING IN THOSE UTILITIES INN& THERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO OKAY. I'M SORRY, HAVE WE BEEN OFFERED ANY KIND OF GUARANTEES BY THE UTILITIES THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR THIS TOD.
SO THEY THEY DID SEVERAL CALCULATIONS BEFORE AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY CAN THEY DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO SUPPORT THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE. OKAY. FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE TALKED THE SAME THING WITH THE OTHER UTILITIES, TULSA ELECTRIC AND TEXAS GAS. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS T3. THIS IS WHAT'S BEHIND THE EXISTING LOTS. THIS IS WHAT'S IT WOULD BE ADJACENT. SO IT'D BE A TRANSITION POINT OKAY. SO HERE YOU'RE TALKING 30 FOOT MINIMUM BY 100 FOOT. SO IT'S A 30000& SQUARE FOOT LOT CORRECT? OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THIS WENT THROUGH MR. RODRIGUEZ. IT'S A LOT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY PLATTED. THAT'S WHAT EXISTS THERE. YES 30 BY 100.
THAT'S WHAT EXISTS ON YOUR PLAT. WOW. THAT'S WHAT EXISTS ON YOUR PLAT. THIS IS A 3000 SQUARE FOO& LOT THERE. THAT'S. AND NOBODY'S DECIDED TO BUY THAT TO USE IT. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER LOTS TOO ON THE COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE VERY NARROW, LONG LOTS. THAT'S HOW THEY THEY PLATTED
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THOSE BACK IN BACK IN THE DAY. I COULD BARELY GET 40,000 OR 4000& SQUARE FOOT LOTS. THAT'S CRAZY.& AND THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR FOLKS THAT THAT ACTUALLY WANT T& DEVELOP HERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COMBINE LOTS AND DO STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING HOW YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO IT'S HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIT ON THAT LOT. CORRECT. AND SO THAT'S WHY. SO IT EXISTS. IT'S EXISTING. THAT'S EXISTING ON OUR PLAT OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION JUST DOES NOT MEANN& THAT THE PLAT IS SO ANTIQUATED. I MEAN, IS IT GOING TO BE FUNCTIONAL TO USE THE EXISTING PLAT OR IS IT GOING TO HAVE TO GET REPLANTED? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK. SO IT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY, RIGHT? LIKE I MEAN, SO IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN& AND PLATTED IT TO THEIR DIMENSIONS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY START BUILDING AND THEY START GOING DOWN THE PATH OF DEVELOPMENT. NOT, NOT NOT EASY, BUT NOT DIFFICULT, RIGHT? INN& THIS CASE, MR. JOLLEY, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHAT I WHAT SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS IT'S NOT EASY AND IT IS A CHALLENGE,& BUT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, AT LEAST BECAUSE OF OUR OBSERVATION AND WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND THEN THIS PROJECT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, IS THAT I THINK AND I THINK THIS IS INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL KNOW, LIKE YOU NOW START TO HAVE PEOPLE BUYING UP THE LOTS TO START TO CREATE. SO& I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT LIKE THERE ARE AT LEAST ONE THAT I COULD THINK OF, MAYBE TWO BLOCKS THAT ARE ALREADY OWNED BY ONE PERSON. AND SO THAT THAT I THINK AT THAT POINT OF THAT INDIVIDUAL OR THAT ENTITY. RIGHT. IT'S NOT ONE PERSON, WHATEVER THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER CHOOSES TO THEN COME IN LIKEE& LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THIS IS THE PLACE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I NOW HAVE TO DO. I THINK THAT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME FORM OF REPLANT THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE WHAT IS WHAT IS THE ADJACENT AREA? IS THAT R2, R3, MOSTLY R2& AND R4 OKAY. I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE SELLERS IN THE FUTURE, BEING BACKED UPP& TO A 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE CONFORMING FOR THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, EXISTING. ARE THOSE LOTS ALREADY EACH OWNED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE? YES. CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR. IT'S LIKE SO IT'S 200 OWNERS. A GOOD AMOUNT OF THOSE ARE ABSENTEE RIGHT. IT'SS& UP TO THE OWNER. IT'S UP TO THE OWNER WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I'M SORRY. IT'S UP TO THE OWNER. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL PLOTTING THE WHOLE THING. EACH EACH OWNER HAS IT'S HIS OWN IDEA. CORRECT? YES, SIR.I JUST I WANTED JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING TO MR. JOLLEY'S POINT. WE WILL NEED TO ALSO DO AMENDMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION CODE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE TOD REZONING AS WELL. WE ALREADY HAD IN MIND DOING LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MINOR PLATS AND STUFF. SO IT'S EASIER FOR THEM. IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. IT WOULD JUS& BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED FOR SIMPLE PLATS OF COMBINING LOTS OR SPLITTING LOTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. CREATING A FEW LIKE MAYBE MINIMUM OF FIVE, THAT TYPE OF THING THERE. THERE'S A COMMENT, AND THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE THAT& I'LL ADD. AND IT'S FOR CONSIDERATION BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING HERE. YOU HAVE 30FT, BUT YOU CAN ENCROACH UP TO EIGHTT& FEET RIGHT ON THE SIDE SETBACKS ON THE SIDE SETBACKS. SO THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A 30 FOOT LOT. SO THEN RIGHT NOW THE WAY YOU HAVE IT SET UP IS YOU WOULD REDUCE THAT TO 20FT BUILDABLE AREA, BUT YOU COULD ENCROACH EIGHT. SO THEN YOU HAVE A 288& FOOT WIDE HOUSE, CORRECT. IF AND THIS IS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT..& THIS IS JUST TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. IF YOU GUYS BUILD THE STREET THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT AND THERE'S UTILITIES THERE, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT A HOME BUILDER WILL FIT A HOUSE WITH 28FT OF FRONTAGE AND 100FT OF DEPTH, BECAUSE YOU COULD ALREADY SEE THAT NOW. YEAH, THAT EXISTS& IN PORTIONS OF MISSION RIDGE. SO IT'LL AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY TIGHT BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME HERE IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TOO& HAVE ESSENTIALLY FOUR FEET FROM, FROM YOU'LL HAVE TWO FEET TO TH& LOT LINE, TWO FEET TO THE LOT LINE. AND YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY FOUR FEET APART. AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT THAT HOUSE CAN LOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE, LIKE IN THE MISSION RIDGE AREAS. CORRECT. BECAUSE THOSE HOUSES I KNOW BECAUSE I DEVELOPED HOUSES& THAT ARE 45. SO THEY HAVE HOUSE& THAT ARE 35FT IN WIDTH. SEVEN FEET IS NOT THAT MUCH TO TAKE AWAY. AN ARCHITECT WILL FIGURE IT OUT. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SQUEEZE A HOUSE IN THERE. SO IF THE UTILITIES ARE THERE AND THE ROAD IS THERE, THIS IS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND THIS IS SUPPOSED T& BE THE TRANSITION POINT. YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK VERY NICE. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'LL LOOKK& REALLY GOOD. BUT IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S THERE AND NOW YOU CAN FIT TWO HOUSES BEHIND IT, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THERE'S 600& FOOT WIDE LOTS, PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING. SO BEHIND IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO HOUSES THAT FIT IN THAT ARE& BASED ON THESE ENCROACHMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED JUST FOR THE T3. EVERYTHING ELSE, I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN TRANSITION THAT POINT. BUT MAYBE FOR THE T3, CONSIDER THAT IF YOU HAVE 30FT, I THINK THATT&
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ONE, THERE'S NO CHOICE BUT TOO& REQUIRE THEM TO REPOT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SET IN STONE. BUT IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I SEE THAT AVAILABLE, I KNOW BECAUSE I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME, YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP ON THAT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY I MEAN, YOU CAN FIT A HOUSE ON THAT SIZE LOT. AREE& YOU KIDDING ME? THEY'LL LOVE THAT. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND THEN I MIGHT FOLLOW UP WITH& YOU DIRECTLY, JUST SO THAT I COULD GET IT A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FROM YOU AND THEN RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. IS THAT. YES, SIR. I'M JUST SAYING YOU'LL YOU'LLL& FIND A BUILDER TO FIT IT IN THERE. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK ATT& THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. JUST MOVING ON. SO THE OTHER ZONE IS YOUR CIVIC SPACE. AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ALL THE LAND THAT I& OWNED BY THE CITY OF HORIZON. SO IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR CITY HALL, YOUR TRANSIT TERMINAL AND, AND ANY PARKS THAT COME ONLINE. AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ARRAY OF, OF STREET DIMENSIONS. THE DIMENSIONS THAT& WE ARE WORKING WITH NOW ARE 60FT TOTAL RIGHT AWAY. AND SO IT'S A GOOD IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPACE.RIGHT. BUT BUT THEN IT HAS ITT& SORT OF. YOU NOW HAVE TO THEN PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN YOU ASSEMBLE THE STREET. RIGHT. SO YOU, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, LISTEN, WE WANT THE MAJORITY OF THE STREET TO JUST BE PAVEMENT WIDTH FOR CARS AND, AND SIDEWALKS TOO& BE AT FIVE FEET. OKAY. BUT IN A DOWNTOWN, IN A TOWN CENTER, YOU WANT TO SUBORDINATE THE PAVEMEN& WIDTH. I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T& HAVE STREETS, RIGHT? PICK UP A STREET FOR CARS, BUT YOU CREATE A LITTLE BIT WIDER SIDEWALKS..& AND SO IN THIS CASE ON ON A REALLY GREAT DOWNTOWN SIDEWALK IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12 TO 15FT.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE AND WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. WE GAVE YOU A SIDEWALK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER. SO SIDEWALK IS NOW 12FT. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A TREE. WELL YOU HAVE THE TRAVEL LANE IS NOW AT TEN FEET EACH. AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO SITES OF PARKING. BUT BUT YOU CAN'T FIT A BIKE LANE. CANNOT. YOU CANNOT. SO YOU AND I DIDN'T SHOW IT. BUT IT'S PART OF THE CODE. BUT WHAT& YOU COULD DO IS TAKE AWAY ONE SIDE OF PARKING AND PUT YOUR EIGHT FOOT BIKE LANE. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE TO& THE STAFF. HOWEVER THEY START TO ONCE THEY START TO DEVELOP. THI& IS THIS IS ALSO FOR DILLON LAKE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU LOOK& AT WHAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU, WE WE'VE EVERY STREET ON THAT SUBDIVISION IS 60FT. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS AGAIN, THE STREETS SHOULD BE CONTEXTUALIZED TOO& WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM. RIGHT.
WHAT'S ABUTTING THEM. AND SO IF YOU THINK OF A DOWNTOWN, AGAIN, WIDER SIDEWALKS, YOU WANT TRAFFIC TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU THINK OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU STILL WANT TRAFFIC TO SLOW DOWN, BUT THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T AS WIDE AS 12FT. SO I BELIEVE I BELIEVE WE DID LIKE TEN FEET, 8 TO 10FT, OR I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE DONE FIVE. AND THEN YOU DO HAVE A PARKWAY, THE, THE STRIP OF WHERE YOU WHAT YOU WERE PLANTING THE TREES..& RIGHT. SO BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALL WORKING WITH THE 60FT THAT'S ALREADY PLANTED. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU I ONLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON DELAY AND DELAY BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE YOUR MAIN STREETS OR IS IT GOING TO BE YOUR REALLY IMPORTANT STREETS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE ACTUAL CODE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUFFET OF DIFFERENT STREET SEGMENTS THAT ONCE THE STAFF STARTS TO DEVELOP THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR LAND, YOU COULD START TO COMPARTMENTALIZE HOWEVER YOU WANT YOUR STREETS T& LOOK. BUT ALL OF THAT TO SAY IS THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IN A IN A SPACE LIKE THIS, YOU ARE EMPHASIZING AND PRIORITIZING A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABILITY THAN THE AUTOMOBILE. AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE STREETS AND PEOPLE CAN STILL DRIVE, BUT AGAIN, THE PUBLIC REALM, WIDER SIDEWALKS, MUCH MORE LANDSCAPING. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A REALLY GREAT CHAPTER OF ON LANDSCAPING THAT WE PROVIDE AT UO. SO THAT'S I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. I DIDN'TT& MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD A GOOD POINT, A GOOD TIME TO BRING UP A QUESTION THAT I, THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION THAT HAD BEEN SENT TO US LAST WEEK.
GOING ON WITH WHAT YOU WEREE& SAYING ABOUT SOME OF THESE STREETS NOT HAVING BIKE LANES, ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE EL PASO MPO OR TXDOT IN REFERENCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF BICYCLE LANES IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? OUR FIRM IS NOT, BUT I THINK THATT& YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT WITH ROTHMAN AND. RIGHT. YES, SIR. WE ARE MEMBERS OF THEIR TICKETS. THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
RIGHT. THAT MEETS EVERY, II& THINK, ONCE A MONTH. MR. RUIZ ATTENDS THOSE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY. AND WE DISCUSSED THOSE THOSE ISSUES. I MEAN, NOTHING'S COME UP FOR HORIZON CITY YET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY YET IN THE WORKS. BUT IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO DO THAT, WE WOULD, LIKE, GET WITH THEM AND, AND START TO, TO& GET IDEAS AND THEN GET IT VETTED
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THROUGH THE PROCESS, THROUGH THE MPO AND ALL THAT, OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT TYPICALLY RUN THAT THAT PROGRAM. RIGHT? I KNOW THE MPO IS CURRENTLY HOLDING MEETINGS THROUGHOUT EL PASO TO GET THE INPUT OF CITIZENS IN REFERENCE TO AND NOT JUST BICYCLE LANES, BUT IN GENERAL WHAT THEY CALL HOTSPOTS, AREAS OF ACCIDENTS, AND POSSIBL& WHERE THEY'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF FATALITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I LOVE TO RIDE MY BICYCLE AND ANY CHANCE I GET, I TAKE IT OUT AND GO FOR A SPIN. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I GET ON THE BICYCLE, I'M RISKING MY LIFE, RIGHT? BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, EL PASO IN GENERAL IS NOT A VERY BICYCLE FRIENDLY TOWN. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I WOULD LIKE FOR HORIZON TO BE THE TRENDSETTER IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO I THANK YOU, MR. REESE, FOR PARTICIPATING IN THOSE MEETINGS.BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SEE& WHAT THEY WHAT KIND OF DATA THE& HAVE. I KNOW THE MPO HAS BEEN COMPILING DATA ON ON ACCIDENTS AND WHAT THEY CALL, AGAIN, WHAT THEY CALL HOTSPOTS. AND I KNOWW& FOR A FACT THAT TXDOT WAS ALSOO& HAVING MEETINGS MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO IN REFERENCE TO& THE CONNECTING BICYCLE LANES THROUGHOUT EL PASO COUNTY. RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE BICYCLE LANES, BUT IT GOES FOR TWO MILES AND THEN IT ENDS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, JUMP INTO THE OCEAN WITH THE SHARKS AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL COME OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING HIT. AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING THAT THE MAYOR HAD THIS& PAST SATURDAY, THERE WAS MENTION OF THAT AS WELL. AND THE MAYOR SAID THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE STREETS. PERFECT. I JUST THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD PLACE TOO& START LOOKING INTO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND THAT, LIKEE& WE WERE SAYING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION TO, I THINK, WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? THERE WAS A COMPLETE STREETS FOR AND I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH WRITING IT, BUT AND HAD A PICTURE OF A OF A BUS AND BICYCLES AND PEOPLE WALKING. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TRY TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.
AND ONE LAST POINT I WANT TOO& BRING UP. SORRY, SORRY ALSO THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO INCORPORATEE& THE RODMAN MULTI-USE TRAIL AS WELL ON THE SIDE OF THE TOD AREA. SO THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLEMENT THAT REALLY WELL. SO BOTH THE USE YOU CAN USE BIKES, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WALK PERFECT OR RUN OKAY. EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT. I JUSTT& WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS SAID. THANK YOU. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST FOR MR. RUBIO. DO WE HAVE TIME TODAY? IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT COME UP, IS THERE ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, AMEND CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THIS DRAFT AND THEN HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, SENT TO US THE SECOND TIME FOR SECOND READING WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS AND THEN BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL, OR IS IT THERE ARE ONLY ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO MAKE AMENDMENTS AND SEND IT DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THERE'LL BE TIME. RIGHT? WE HAV& SOME TIME. IT'S NOT GOING..& EXCUSE ME, IT'S GOING TOO& COUNCIL, I BELIEVE. INTRODUCTIO& IN MAY OR APRIL. AND THEN FINAL HEARING IN MAY. IS THAT WHAT WE HAD COME UP WITH? I HAVE IT INN& AN EMAIL AND. IN JUNE. NO. WAS IT MAY AND THEN JUNE. MAY AND JUNE. YES. I THINK YOU ALL ARE ON ME. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'& RIGHT. AND THEN, MR. GARNETT, I& IT EASIER IF WE ASK QUESTIONS A& WE GO ALONG OR AS WE ONCE YOU COMPLETE YOUR PRESENTATION, THE& WE GO WHATEVER YOU PREFER. THERE'S ONLY A FEW MORE SLIDES OF THE TECHNICAL PART, SO HOWEVER YOU PREFER. IT'S OKAYY& WITH ME. OKAY. WELL, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE PRIOR SECTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO BACK OR IF YOU PREFER JUST T& FINISH UP. DO YOU WANT ME TOO& JUST FINISH AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK? SURE. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN SO AGAIN, JUST TO& SPEAK AGAIN ABOUT THE CONTEXT BETWEEN STREETS AND THE BUILD ENVIRONMENT, IT'S AGAIN IT'S OUTLINED IN YOUR CODE. AND THEN WE. SO THAT'S AGAIN I DIDN'T SPEND I DIDN'T GO PAGE BY PAGE.
RIGHT. BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE,,& ON SORT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF YOUR CODE. AND THENN& WHAT WE ALSO DID IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FOR US. WE IT SOMETIMES TENDS TO FOR THE LAYPERSON, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE START TO OTHER RESIDENTS TO START TO THINK ABOUT THIS, IT'S EASIER FOR PEOPLE TOO& VISUALIZE THINGS. RIGHT? SO THE& WHAT WE DID AND WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF TO SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T WE MODEL IT TO SOME DEGRE& OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE? AND SO THE NEXT SLIDES GIVE YOU AN IDEA BASED ON, ON ON WHAT THEE& THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK THAT WAY, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, INN& TERMS OF THE FORM, THE MASSING, THE BUILDING ORIENTATIONS, THE STREETS. RIGHT. SO THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT HORIZONTALLY, THIS
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
PROTECTED. THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPIN& TO HEAR. YOU COULD DO THAT. THE CODE GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOUR YOU AND OTHERS TO SORT OF THINK THROUGH. WHEN WE START BUILDING IN, HOW DO WE& WANT TO ACCOMMODATE IT? OKAY.
AND THEN HERE'S AGAIN T5 IF THERE'S IF YOU HAVE APARTMENTS AND THEN THE T4 IF YOU HAVE TOWNHOMES, JUST SOME GENERAL IDEA. AND THEN THE T3 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. AND THEN YOUR CENTRAL PARK SURROUNDED BY T T T FIVES AND T FOURS AND YOUR CIVIC SPACE. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA THAT HOW YOU DESIG& IT WILL BE ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PARK. THAT'S THE FOCAL POINT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OR OTHERS MAY HAVE. YES. OKAY. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE T5 MIXED USE CENTER? SO I KNOW UNDER THE DRAFT FOR TOD TRANSIT ZONE STANDARDS UNDER BUILDING HEIGHTS, IT SAYS TWO STORY MINIMUM AND FOUR STORIES. SO YOU KNOW, HOW DID YOU ALL COME TO THE FOUR STORY MAXIMUM? IS IT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO BE A GOOD TRANSITION AREA NOT TO BE TOO HIGH? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT'SS& THE RATIONALE BEHIND FOURR& STORIES BEING MAGIC NUMBER. YEAH. SO IT'S THAT'S EXACTLY IT. LIKE THERE'S NO MAGIC FORMULA.
RIGHT. IT'S SORT OF JUST THINKING THROUGH LIKE WHAT SORT& OF MASSING AND DENSITY YOU WANT TO HAVE. AND THAT ALSO PEOPLEE& MIGHT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. RIGHT. SO. SO A FOUR STORIESS& QUITE FRANKLY, LIKE A TWO STORY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH SETH. SO LIKE THINK OF LIKE SOO& YOU WANT TO BUILD THE PUBLICC& REALM RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'VE BEEN IN AN ENVIRONMENT
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LIKE DOWNTOWN EL PASO OR OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU'RE WALKING IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT, THE ENCLOSURE OF THE BUILDINGS TOO& THE SIDEWALK, IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD OR LIKE I FEEL GOOD WALKING DOWN THE STREET, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THERE'S ACTIVITY, IF THERE'S STORES, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT I COULD LOOK AT. AND SO YOU, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT STARTS TO GET TOO TALL, YOU START TOO& FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. RIGHT? LIKE& AT THAT POINT YOU START TO FEEL LIKE, MAN, WHERE AM I? WHERE AM& I WALKING THROUGH? RIGHT? NEW YORK'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE TO COMPARE TO HORIZON BECAUSE IT'S& NEW YORK, BUT THERE'S ELEMENTS OF LIKE A BIG CITY THAT GIVES YOU THAT, THAT SORT OF FEELING.AND SO A REALLY GOOD THRESHOLD IS BETWEEN TWO STORIES, LIKE IF YOU EVEN IF YOU GET TO TWOO& STORIES OR EVEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH STAFF, YOU COULD EVEN DO ONE STORY. BUT THE, THE ROOF LINE A LITTLE BIT TALLER, THE PARAPET, WHAT YOU CALL THE PARAPET WHERE YOU'RE HIDING THE& AIR CONDITIONING STUFF, EVENN& THAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH CINCINNATI STREET IN EL PASO, RIGHT? SO EVEN THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF STREET MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, LIKE ARDUINOS AND THE BARS, RIGHT? THAT THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT'S ONLY ONE STORY. SO IF YOU COULD GET TO TWO STORY EVEN BETTER. AND I JUST THERE'S NO MAGIC FORMULA THERE ONLY TOO& SAY THAT LIKE IN A, IN A WITH SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, A FOUR& STORY BUILDING IS A GOOD SIZE BUILDING FOR A TOWN LIKE HORIZON. OKAY. AND THEN AND THE& ALSO JUST WE DID TALK TO STAFF, RIGHT. LIKE WHAT? WHAT SORT OF TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT? YOU ALSOO& HAVE TO ALTHOUGH LIKE WE DON'T WE ARE OUR COMPANY DIDN'T COMPLETELY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE MARKET CAN SUPPORT, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PRACTICAL ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET CAN SUPPORT, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2 TO 4 STORIES SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE HEIGHT LIMITATION. MASSING WHERE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD APARTMENTS, THEY COULD. THAT'S & GOOD THRESHOLD TO BUILD IT IN. AND THEN IF YOU COULD GO TO WELL UNDER THE DRAFT, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE THE T5 FOR THEE& PARKING SECTION, PARKING AND ENCROACHMENTS. SO IN SECTION I'M SORRY, DID I THAT ONE RIGHT..& YEAH. IT'S STILL RIGHT THERE I'M SORRY. IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. TELL ME THE PAGE NUMBER S& I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 2.72.7. HISTORY. AND SO IN SECTION 2.4.
C PARKING ENCROACHMENTS. THE REGULATIONS MANDATE THAT PARKING BE LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDINGG& FACADE WHENEVER POSSIBLE. WHEN AN WOULD THERE BE AN IMPACT STUDY CONDUCTED ON HOW THESE PARKING LIMITATIONS MIGHT AFFECT BUSINESS VIABILITY AND TRAFFIC FLOW, AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHT& ON THAT? DID YOU ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN? YEAH, YEAH. SO I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST PART. SO THE PARKING IS BEHIND THE BUILDING. RIGHT OKAY. AND SO IT WOULD AN IMPACT STUDY BE CONDUCTED ON HOW THESE PARKING LIMITATIONS MIGHT AFFECT BUSINESS VIABILITY AND TRAFFIC FLOW, OR WOULD THAT BE ALLEVIATED WITH THE STREET PARKING. NO. WELL, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW I COULD ANSWER IT IN TERMS OF THE STUDY THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOUR STAFF, RIGHT? AND MAYBE EVEN TO THE DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN,,& IF YOU WERE STARTING TO PLAN AGAIN, YOU MIGHT REQUIRE A TIA BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC COUNTS. AGAIN. I THINK TO YOUR POINT, MR. JOLLY, THERE MAY HAVE TO BE SOME DEGREE OF EXPECTATION THAT THERE MAY HAVE TO BE A REPLAT OR SOME DEGREE OF EXPECTATION THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME DATA ANALYSIS SO THAT I,,& YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOUR YOUR CITY TO THINK THROUGH THAT. THAT'SS& NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IN TERMS OF LIKE ACTUAL PARKING SPACES WITHOUT GETTING TOO, TOO WONKY OR WHATNOT. RIGHT. LIKE WE TEND TO OVER PARK IN OUR ZONING CODES. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WHE& YOU GO TO WALMART, IT'S ONLY 50% OCCUPIED. THEY IT USED TO BE THAT YOU USED TO MODEL YOUR PARKING LOTS FOR THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE YEAR, WHICH WAS CHRISTMAS. AND EVEN THEN, NOW PEOPLE AREN'T SHOPPING AT THE MALL OR AT WALMART OR TARGET DURING CHRISTMAS. THEY'RE SHOPPING ONLINE. SO THAT DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT YOU NEED, RIGHT? SO JUST GENERALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY,,& THERE'S THIS SORT OF PUSH TO SA& LIKE, HEY, OUR PARKING STANDARDS FOR NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S TOO HIGH. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO SOME DEVELOPERS LIKE IT, SOME DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ADDITIONAL ASPHALT AND EXPENSE THAT THEYY& HAVE TO BUILD INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SO IN THIS CASE, W& FEEL LIKE I THINK IT'S GOING TO& HAVE TO BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO WHOEVER THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT COMES, THEY MAY WANT TO SAY, HEY, THE THINKING IS JUST PERFECT. OR IT MIGHT WE MIGHT NEED SOME MORE PARKING. AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU, YOU ACCOMMODATE THAT BY THE STREET PARKING. SO THERE'S OTHER WAYSS& THAT YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING. BUT TYPICALLY WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR OPINION ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AGAIN LIKE JUST IF YOU'RE LIKE FROM OUR FROM OUR
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FIRM'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE LESS PARKING, NOT MORE PARKING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL FIND LIKE THEN IF YOU. SO THEN THE LAST POINT IF I WANT TO, IF I WANT T& ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK TO THIS DOWNTOWN, I'M GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO PARK. SO IF I THINK, MAN, I'M GOING TO GO TOO& DOWN DILLEY AND I'M GOING TO GO& DOWN TO THIS NICE RESTAURANT AND I'M GUARANTEED PARKING, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DRIVE, MAN. I REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN T& THIS PLACE BECAUSE IT'S THE FOO& IS GREAT, AND I'M GOING TO MEET MY FRIENDS AND I'M GOING TO HAV& A GREAT EXPERIENCE. I REALLY WANT TO GET THERE, BUT THE PARKING SUCKS. I'M GOING TOO& WALK. SO YOU, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU TRY TO YOU WANT LESS PARKING, NOT MORE PARKING IN THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO. SO IT'LL BE MORE OF THAT GIVE AND TAKE BASED ON I THINK SO OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. CAN I JUST ADD A COMMENT? YEAH, SURE. I TURN THIS OFF AGAIN. I'LL ADD A COMMENT BASED ON ON WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP ONE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S BASED ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE. SOO& EVEN IF THAT NUMBER IS LESS THAN WHAT THE TYPICAL NUMBER IS, I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT T& BE SOMETHING THAT'S AN INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT IS ACCEPTED NOW..& SO THAT'S. YES. BUT YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE LIKE TYPICALLY ON A RESTAURANT, I'M JUST GENERALIZING HERE. TYPICALLY ON A RESTAURANT IT'S LIKE FOR EVERY 200FTā !S YOU WANT ONE PARKING SPACE HERE. WHAT WE'RE SAYING I THINK IS 1000FTā . YOU WANT ONE PARKING SPACE. SO IT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT IS GREATER, MAKING THE PARKING SPACES LESS. OKAY.OKAY. WHICH WILL IT MAKE PEOPLE& WANT TO WALK. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THAT, WHICH IS FINE. I HONESTLY DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT. MINIMUM BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YOUR CONCERN HERE IS OKAY. I THINK DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
THIS IS JUST FOR BEING ABLE TOO& SEE. THE OTHER THING IS ONE OFF& THE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED AGAIN, JUST RECOMMENDATION IS YOU CAN DO A DETAILED SITE PLAN REQUIREMENT WHENEVER YOU COME IN WITH A NEW BUILDING, WHICH ATT& THAT POINT WE GET TO REVIEW IT. SO YOU CAN ADD TO THE ZONING AS YOU DO WHAT'S CALLED A LIKE AN EL PASO. THEY HAVE LIKE A SPECIAL CONDITION. SO ANYTIME YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON A SPECIFIC ZONE, IT REQUIRES A DETAILED SITE PLAN. SO THEN YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE WHAT'SS& GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, AT WHICH POINT YOU CAN REVIEW HOW MUCH PARKING IS THERE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL GETS INVOLVED, WHICH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE A LOT OF SAY AND A LOT OF POOL. I'VEE& SEEN A LOT OF SITE PLANS CHANGE, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE FIRE TRUCK CAN'T ACCESS THE BUILDING& SO THAT THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY. SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE MINIMUM DRIVEWAYS AND TRAFFIC, I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT IMPACTING IT. WE CAN REQUEST A TIA. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE EITHER, BUT IT WOULD BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
BUT TYPICALLY WE DO A DETAILED SITE PLAN WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START THE DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS FOR THE ZONING AND BUILDING LIKE TOO& BUILD THERE, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE EACH DEVELOPER TO COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN. AND THAT GIVES US BOARD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS APPROVED, OR THEY EVEN START DEVELOPMENT ON IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO, MR. RODRIGUEZ, I AGAIN, FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK YOUR POINT IS EXCELLENT. IT'S WELL TAKEN. SO THE CODEE& WOULD REQUIRE A MASTER WHAT WE CALL A MASTER SITE PLAN. HOWEVER, YOUR YOUR IT WOULD ONL& BE STAFF REVIEWED AS LONG ASS& SOMEONE REVIEWS IT, YOU GET THE PUBLIC ENGINEER TO REVIEW IT. I& YOU GET THE UTILITY, THE TOWN'S ENGINEER TO REVIEW IT, AND YOU GET THE FIRE MARSHAL TO REVIEW IT, THEY'LL CATCH ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY'LL THEY'LL CATCH YOUR CONCERNS. OKAY, DEFINITELY. AND IF I JUST MAY ADD, I THINK. THE SPIRIT OF THIS TOD AGAIN IS TOO& CREATE, AS YOU HAD SAID EARLIER, A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE MORE MOTIVATED TO WALK, TOO& CONDUCT BUSINESS, TO BUSINESS, PLEASURE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. RIGHT. SO VEHICLE PARKING. DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO MAYBE BIASED TOWARDS BICYCLES. INSTEAD OF CREATING PARKING SPACES, WE CAN CREATE BICYCLE PARKING SPACES. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THI& IS THE DESIGN, THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST AN ARTIST'S RENDITION. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE THAT WAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OFFSETS AND THE FRONTAGES AND ALL THAT STUFF, IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER QUAINT DOWNTOWN ANYTOWN, USA, RIGHT? WHICH I LIKE. SO THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANT TO MODERNIZE THINGS. WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY QUESTION ON SECTION 3.7. BRAVO. ON WHAT? I DON'T KNOW, THE PAGE. I JUST JOTTED DOWN THE SECTION. I DON'T KNOW
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IF I CAN LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP HERE ON MY ON WHAT I TRIED. 2.12 TWO. IT PERTAINS TO& ELECTRIC VEHICLE STATIONS, CHARGING STATIONS SEVEN. BRAVO 3.7003 OKAY. THERE WAS SOME VERBIAGE THERE THAT GOT CROSSED OUT, AND I JUST KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE AND JUST WAS WANTING TOO& ASK YOU, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT BEING CROSSED OUT PERTAINING SPECIFICALLY TO THE ELIMINATION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS? .3. 11 3.11 OKAY, SO THAT'S THE PAGE NUMBER? YES. OKAY. 1.11 ON SITE STANDARDS. 3.7 BRAVO. IT SAYS SECTION 3.7 BRAVO MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. YES, SIR. AND THEN FOR THE PURPOSES OF THESE STANDARDS, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT& INCLUDES ANY HEATING, VENTILATION, HVAC, HVAC EQUIPMENT, ELECTRICAL MACHINERY, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND STORAGE. APOLOGIES. CAN WE GET IT ON THE SCREEN? IF YOU HAVE IT AS PART OF YOUR BACKGROUND, YOU CAN. I DON'T HAVE IT ON MYY& PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE IT, LIKE IF STAFF COULD BRING U& THE PDF. I CAN'T MAKE A NEW ONE. OH SORRY GUYS. NO, NO. IT'S PERFECT. IT'S GOOD THE WAY WEE& ALL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS? DAVID, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. I CAN IT'SS& THAT ONE. IT WAS A. YOU WANT TO& FIND IT ON THERE? YEAH. BECAUSE IF I CAN PUT IT BECAUSE I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOCK HIM OUT AND. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU EARN YOUR PAY, DAVID. EARN YOUR SANDWICH. SO AS WE'RE WAITING T& PULL IT UP. WHAT? SO, 3.7 B MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THEN WAS IT NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO. IT WAS A PARAGRAPH RIGHT ABOVE.NUMBER ONE THERE IS A HIGHLIGHTED VERBIAGE CROSSED OUT IN RED LINE CROSSES OUT THE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT DRAFT BECAUSE ON OUR DRAFT ON THE ONE THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, IT'S NOT O& THERE. BUT I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF. YEAH IT'& EASIER. MR. GARY DID YOU WANT T& SEE IT I YEAH. DO YOU HAVE IT S& YOU COULD REFERENCE IT. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO BE CIRCLED. UP IN THE SITE STANDARDS. AND IT MIGHT BE MOOT IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. IF IT'S GOVERNMENT. AGENDAS AND MEETINGS. TO THEE& LEFT. SHOW ME THAT VERY FIRST ONE RIGHT THERE. AGENDA. CLICK ON AGENDA IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN THE THERE YOU GO. AND WE SAID IT WAS WHAT? PAGE 3.11 I DON'T I HAD MR. AVILA I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK ATT& IT BECAUSE ON THE ON THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE, WE, WE, WE TOOK IT OUT. SO IF SOMEBODY HAD STRUCKK& IT OUT AND OBVIOUSLY ON THE DRAFT THAT WE THEN STARTED TOO& EDIT, IT'S NO LONGER THERE. BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK WITH OUR STAFF JUST TO SEE OUR NOTES. BUT WOULD YOU PREFER THA& WE KEEP IT? I'M THINKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE. RIGHT. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, LOOKING TOWARDS OUR HORIZON. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TOO& START INCLUDING THOSE KIND OF AMENITIES FOR WHERE WE'RE POSSIBLY HEADING AS FAR AS PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIC VEHICLE. SO IT WOULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT. AND I'M NOT THE ONLYY& ONE. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF TESLAS. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOME OWNERS THAT HAVE A LOT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO THE I MEAN, I, I HAVE ONE AT MY HOME, BUT THE NEAREST ONE WOULD BE STARBUCKS DOWN ON EAST LAKE. COULD THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PARK AND RIDE? THAT WOULD BE GREAT AREA.
YEAH FOR SURE. THAT WOULD BE AA& GREAT IDEA. YOU COULD INCORPORATE IT. YOU COULD INCORPORATE IT PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE. ANYWHERE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. IT COULD BE ANYWHERE AND DEFINITELY IN THE PARK AND RIDE. PARK AND RIDE. VIABLE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO MR. I MADE A NOTE. I OWE YOU AN EXPLANATION AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. BUT BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, AT LEAST AS A RECOMMENDATION IS TO INCLUDE IT. YES. YES SIR YES. YES, SIR. NO PROBLEM. PERFECT. SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT OR OR JUST IN OUR RECOMMENDATION AT THE END. YEAH. OKAY. THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE, AS DISCUSSED WITH STAFF OR AS DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE. YEAH THE SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS. RIGHT. I BELIEVE WHAT MR. RODRIGUEZ HAD RECOMMENDED AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS TIME FRAMES
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FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION, FROM THE T3 ALL THE WAY TO THE SEA? I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHICH SEQUENCE& WE'RE GOING TO GO. ARE WE GOING TO START WITH DOWNTOWN FIRST WITH THE WITH CITY HALL AND THEN WORK OUR WAY BACK OR WORK FROM THERE TOWARDS CITY HALL? DO YOU& WANT TO ANSWER THIS, OR ARE YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A STEP? YEAH. COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL? WHAT COMES FIRST OR RESIDENTIAL? RESIDENTIAL I CERTAINLY I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW, BUT LET ME SAY THIS AND I WANT TO ASK OUR BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE MAY BE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO IN TERMS AS YOU ALL KNOW. I MEAN, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE STAFF IS AGGRESSIVELY MOVING TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING THESE THINGS THROUGH WITH MISS QUESADA, DOCTOR QUESADA, DOCTOR QUESADA'S WORK ON GRANT FUNDING AND, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH THE LAKE AND TO YOUR POINT, MPO, I WOULD GUESS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE YOUR CITY HALL AND YOUR TRANSIT PLAZA SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE FIRST, BECAUSE THEN IT ALSO SENDS A SIGNAL TO PEOPLE THAT YOU GUYSS& ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, AND YOU ARE I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. THIS IS A SERIOUS BUSINESS AND YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUS. PEOPLE DO WORKING, DOING SERVICE WORK. BUT IF YOUU& GO DOWN THAT PATH AND HEY, LISTEN, IT'S HERE. AND ANY SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN, HEY, WE DID THE ZONING DISTRICTS, WE REZONE YOUR PROPERTY, WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE PUTTING THE CITY'S CHIPS AT THE TABLE. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST. I KNOW THE POND IS WORK. YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS YOUR POND UP NORTH INN& THAT AREA. I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD. YEAH, IT WOULD BE AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. SO THE GOAL FOR HORIZON IS TO MAKE THAT THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA TO SPUR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN POSSIBLY TO START CREATING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND THEN KEEP GOING WITH THAT. BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT WILL SPUR IT WITH THAT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT AND ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THATT& IT'LL IT'LL TAKE OFF FROM THERE. BUT ARE WE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT STARTING WITH CITY HALL FIRST??& YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. THE PLAZA AND THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN TO INCLUDE THE, THE PONDING AREA AND THEN OTHER LOTS BELOW IT THAT WE JUST BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION ON THE LAST MEETING. YES. SO THOSE, ALL THOSE LOTS T& INCLUDE THE, THE, THE TRANSIT PLAZA AND THEN CITY HALL. WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT WILL SPUR THE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THEN TAKE OFF TIME TIME FRAME. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT. I THINK SO RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN THROUGH HUD. SO WE STILL NEED TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS. SO WE'RE EXPLORING THA& RIGHT NOW AND REALLY DEPENDS ON& THAT. AND IT'S KIND OF A TOUGH TIME AS YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AS FAR AS TRYING TO GO AFTER THOSE THOSE DOLLARS, IT'S ACTUALLY SOME OFF& OUR DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE IN JEOPARDY OF POSSIBLY LOSING THEM BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY NOT STARTING RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUSHING THIS PROJECT ALONG SO, SO QUICKLY. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T START SOON, THEN WE MAY POTENTIALLY LOSE THAT FUNDING. HAS THE HORIZON EDC BEEN INVOLVED IN LOOKING AT ALTERNATE? YES. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSE WITH US INITIALLY. THEIR THEIR MAIN GOAL IS ACQUIRING ALL THESE PROPERTIES, WHICH THEY'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF. I MEAN, WE'VE ACQUIRED QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTIES ALREADY IN THE SHORT SPAN OF TIME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THOSE MONIES. AGAIN, THEY USE MOSTLY ARPA FUNDS TO ACQUIRE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. BUT WE DON'T HAVEE& ANY MORE ARPA FUNDS. I THINK THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH BEEN, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, ENCUMBERED ALREADY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE EXPLORING NOW. OKAY. AND ONE MORE THING. I'M SO SORRY. YES, SIR. NO PROBLEM. AND I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTED MOREE& TOWARDS YOU. YES, SIR. SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO. THAT'SS& WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. HAVE YOU DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY? ANOTHER TOWN. SO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE DONE CODE REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY OF LAREDO. WE HAVE DONE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN LIKE A SIMILAR WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER ALSO IN LAREDO, THE KELLUM FAMILY. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN, WE ARE CURRENTLY ALSO WORKING WITH& THE TOWN OF CLINT ON SOME. NOT TO THIS, NOT TO THE DEGREE AND LEVEL THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUNICIPALITIES IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS. WE DON'T DO DEVELOPMENT LIKE WE DON'T WE DON'T DO THE BRICK AND MORTAR, BUT WE DO. YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS INCLUDES THE ENTITLEMENTS AND REGULATIONS. SO WE HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY AND[01:10:02]
SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. AND THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, HAVE THEY ALREADY I GUESS SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING OF LAREDO, HAVE THEY COMPLETED THIS PROJECT? THEY ARE ALSO LAREDO IS WE'RE FINALIZING. SO THEY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH LAREDO AND HORIZON IS THAT THEY ARE REVAMPING ALL OF THEIR THEY'RE GOING FROM THEIR THE EUCLIDEAN ZONE TO A COMPLETELY WHAT YOU CALL A SMART CODE, A TRANSECT. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN THE FINAL PHASES OF THEM ADOPTINGG& THAT THE CODE LAREDO. AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LITTLE POCKETS HERE AND THERE IN THEIR DOWNTOWN THAT THEY'RE WORKINGG& ON. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS STUFF TAKES TIME, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH WITH THE TOWN OF LAREDO, I DON'T AND YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK THE UNIQUE SITUATION WITH HORIZON IS THAT. THAT YOU GUYS LIKE IT'S THE IT'S THE PUBLIC SECTOR THAT'S TAKING THE LEAD. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF A PRIVATE DEVELOPER HAD HIRED US HEY GUYS. WE HAVE 60 ACRES OF OUR LAND UNENCUMBERED UNPLATTED HELP US DEVELOP SOMETHING. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH MORE EASIER PROCESS AS OUTLINED TO MR. JOLLY. THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT? IT REALLY IS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT. PRETEND THAT IT'S NOT. BUT YOU ALL ARE CHIPPING AWAY AT IT. RIGHT? AGAIN, WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT YOUR REGULATIONS. IN A FEW MONTHS WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE PLUNGE OF REZONING PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.MAYBE NEXT YEAR. YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT THE CITY HALL. SO& WHILE WE THE HORIZON MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S DAUNTING, YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT, RIGHT? YOU ARE AND I AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR HORIZON. AND KUDOS TO YOU ALL FOR THINKING THROUGH THAT. OKAY& THANK YOU. YEAH OF COURSE. YES. SORRY. I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO PAGE 2.10 TWO. DO YOU WANT T& PULL IT UP HERE? 2.10 2010. AND I HAVE ALL MY QUESTIONS IN ORDER. IT'S EASIER THAT WAY JUST TO GO DOWN THE LINE. THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. SO THEY'RE AT THE BOTTOM UNDER SECTION A BUILDING PLACEMENT UNDER THE FRONTAGE BUILDOUT. LET'S SEE. SO FOR FRONTAGE BUILD OUT MINIMUMS& THE T3 ZONE HAS 40% FRONTAGE BUILD OUT REQUIREMENT. COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT DATA SUPPORTS THIS PERCENTAGEE& AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE TOO& EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. YEAH. SO WHAT THAT TELL ME THE SECTION AGAIN 2.1 THE BUILDING FRONTAGE& BUILD OUT. YES 44% MINIMUM. SO THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN ON A ON A. SO REMEMBER IT'S T3. SO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE YOU. IT'S ESSENTIALLY UNLIKE A T5.
YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME DEGREE OF SETBACKS. RIGHT. SO AND IT'S AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD AT 100%. AND S& THIS IS SORT OF SAYING THAT 40% OF YOUR LOT SHOULD BE AT THE VERY MINIMUM IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT GREATER. YES. SO THAT ALL THIS IS SAYING IS THAT THE FRONTAGE OF IT SHOULD BE AT 40%& THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS. WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART? OH, IT WAS JUST AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERNS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COMPARES TO LIKE, YOUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERNS, BUT IF IT'S A IF IT'S A THIS IS& ON THE T3, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE, MAYBE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BITT& OF A DIFFERENCE ON THEIR PERCENTAGES. OKAY. WHAT WE COULD DO IS MEASURE IT ON THE, ON THE, ON THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE BEHIND& IT AND SORT OF JUST GIVE YOU AA& LITTLE BIT OF A COMPARISON. YEAH. SO NOW LET ME SEE. SO FOR THE FRONTAGE NUMBERS SORRY. JUST TO PIGGYBACK HERE, YOU'RE SAYING 40% FRONTAGE IN THE T3 AREAS.
BUT IF THEY'RE 30 BY 100 LOTS AND BUILDERS ARE ALLOWED TOO& BUILD ON WHAT DID WE SAY 28FT.
YEAH. OF THAT 30FT. I JUST I FORESEE ISSUES WITH KEEPING THE CURRENT PLATTING. IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADHERE TO THE 40%. FRONTAGE. OKAY. SO BUT THE QUESTION IS ON THE SO THE LOT YOU HAVE A T3 LOT. 39 AND WE'RE SEEING 30% OR 40% 40. YOU'D HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT 20 FOOT SETBACK. YES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. BESIDES YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT. YOU I DON'T KNOW IFF& YOU'LL GET THAT 30% ON THE SIDE THOUGH. YEAH. LET ME REVIEW THIS ONE AGAIN. BUT SO IF IT'S 30FT,
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LET'S SAY YOU KEEP THE 20 FOOT SETBACK. LET'S SAY YOU GOT 100FT. YES. I DON'T KNOW IT'D BE INTERESTING HOW THEY FIT A HOUSE THERE. YEAH. AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPER ISSUES ALREADY I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THINK REPLATTING IS LIKE ULTIMATELY GOING TO HAVE TOO& HAPPEN IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS ONE. I, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER QUESTION, JUST IN TERMS O& THE REPLAT IS, AS ART MENTIONED, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT YOUR SUBDIVISION CODE. AND SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME DEGREE OF TRIGGER WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE REAPPLY. THE OTHER CONSIDERATION THOUGH IS THAT YOU, IF YOU WERE TO DO LIKE IF THIS WAS A DEVELOPER AND YOU'RE COMING IN AND IT'S YOUR IT'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS YOU WOULD HAVE THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT, THE STREETS, THE CURB, THE GUTTER. IN THIS INSTANCE, THE QUESTION THAT THE CITY IS ALSO THINKING THROUGH IS LIKE, WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT? RIGHT? SO LIKE IF, IF I OWN A, A, A, A LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, EVEN NOW, I CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE THERE'S NO STREET. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE SORT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WERE THINKING THROUGH IN TERMS OF LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED. BUT LET ME, LET ME GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS ONE. AND WHAT WEE& COULD DO IS COMPARE IT IN TERMS OF THE LOTS THAT ARE BEHIND IT.OKAY. SO THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MR. HARRIS, COULD YOU CLICK THE FULL SCREEN BUTTON JUST SO WE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? THE ONE NEXT TO FORM BASE, THE BIG TITLE. THERE YOU GO. AND THEN COULD WE& GO TO PAGE 2.11. OKAY. AND SO UNDER SECTION 2.6. C PARKING AND ENCROACHMENT. THE GUIDELINES SUGGEST SHARED DRIVEWAYS TOO& REDUCE CURB CUTS. IS THIS RIGHT? CURB CUTS ON THE FRONT LINE ARE NOT PERMITTED. SO WHAT'S THE QUESTION. WELL, THE WAY THE LAYOUT THE GUIDELINE LOOKS, IT SUGGESTS THAT THERE'S GOING TOO& BE SHARED DRIVEWAYS. YEAH. SOO& WHAT YOU WHAT YOU TRY TOO& ENCOURAGE IS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING EACH HOUSE HAVING A DRIVEWAY AND THEN REMEMBER WEE& TALKED ABOUT THE RECESSING OF THE GARAGE. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES IN WHICH YOU COULD HAVE A, A SHARED LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DRIVEWAY ON OPPOSITE SIDES, YOU PUT THEM TOWARDS THE MIDDLE SO THAT YOU GET THE IT'S THE CURB CUT THATT& YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE ELIMINATING AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT. RIGHT. BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT SHARED. ONE ONE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. THE OTHER SIDE IS STILL ON THE OTHER PROPERTY LINE. IT'S THE ELIMINATION OFF& THE CURB CUT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO THAT YOU'RE TRYING TOO& ELIMINATE. AND I WAS GOING TOO& ASK, COULD YOU MAKE A NOTE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD INCLUDE LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING SHARED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS HAS CONSIDERED, LIKE AN HOA. NO, NOT AN HOA. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING DRIVEWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SHARED AGREEMENTS, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY REGARDING MAINTENANCE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS WHO SHARE IT, BOTH HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT IN A T3 OR IN A ANYWHEREE& ELSE. THIS WOULD BE IN THE T3, I'M ASSUMING. YEAH, THE T3, I MEAN, BUT IT WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T SHARE THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S STILL A LOT. THERE STILL IS IN BETWEEN THE CONCRETE. THEY'RE STILL SEPARATE. BUT IS THERE WILL THERE BE A BREAK IN SEPARATION OF THE FORMS TOO& CREATE TWO SEPARATE, SMALLER DRIVEWAYS? OR WILL THEY BE CONNECTED IN THE CENTER? BECAUSE IF YOU START TO HAVE CRACKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO BEARS,& YOU KNOW, THE WHO HAS TO COVERR& THE REPLACEMENT COST OR FIX IT.
SO LIKE NOW CONSTRUCTION JOINT IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH, EXACTLY..& THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. EXPANSIONS IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH. CORRECT. IT'S JUST THE POINT IS AGAIN, LIKE BECAUSE YOU WANT THE REALM TO BE FOR PEDESTRIANS. RIGHT..& AND SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE HAVING ON A NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU'RE HAVING TO CONSISTENTLY NAVIGATE DRIVEWAYS, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT RIGHT A HAZARD. SO YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE DRIVEWAYS YOU KNOW. SO MY ISSUE ISN'T HAVING A SHARED YOU KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS. BUT THE ACCESS WAY I& GOING TO BE SHARED TO ACCESS THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS. CORRECT. SO MY ISSUE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHO MAINTAINS THAT SHARED ACCESS WAY. SO EVEN NOW, I MEAN, SO EVEN REGARDLESS OF THIS LIKE IT TYPICALLY I DON'T KNOW, IT'S& A QUESTION FOR ART BECAUSE THAT'S OUTLINED IN YOUR SUBDIVISION CODE. SO LIKE EVEN NOW I'M LIKE IN I LIVE IN EL PASO, LIKE I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR MY SIDEWALK EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT
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IN MY PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY JUST BECAUSE I LIVE NEAR DOWNTOWN. S& I DON'T HAVE. SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S A SIDEWALK, THEN I HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.SIMILARLY, IF IT'S LIKE I, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON THE SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE, THEN YOUU& WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING YOURR& QUESTION, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WHAT I WHAT WE COULD DO IS REVIEW WHAT IS THE CURRENT EXISTING POLICY IN TERMS OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE? WELL, THIS WOULD JUST BE NOT ON THE FRONT. THIS WOULD BE FOR THE SIDE FOR THAT SHARED ACCESS WAY TO ACCESS THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE BACK. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S ON THE SIDES OF TWO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND IT'S A SHARED ACCESS WAY, THAT BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THERE. I BELIEVE THAT'S& IN OUR CODE. RIGHT. I BELIEVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'R& WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IT IS IN OUR LIKE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW,,& WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE TOWN OF GARDEN CITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I LIVE HERE IN THE CITY LIMITS. SO I THE PROPERTY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY PROPERTY, THEN THE FRONTAGE, THEN YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK. WELL, I HAVE BUSHES THAT ARE RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE, OF WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS. WELL, IF THE BUSHES ARE ENCROACHING, I'M RESPONSIBLE. I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTAINING MY SIDEWALK TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN. NO DEBRIS. SO WE DO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. WE DON'T HAVEE& TO HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY. I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ART WOULD LIKE TO EXPOUND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT. SURE. I MEAN, ITT& WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE. I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.
THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE AS FAR AS IT FALLS WITHIN CODE ENFORCEMENT AS FAR AS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. MAINTENANCE. CORRECT. MAINTENANCE, EVEN BEHIND THE PROPERTY. LIKE YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE A WALL RIGHT BEHIND THEIR HOME. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT PORTION OF WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPE OR NOT, LANDSCAPE, SIDEWALK, THE SIDEWALK. THEYY& HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SO IT ISS& IT IS IN OUR IN OUR CODE CURRENTLY ALREADY RIGHT NOW FOR THE FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. I& JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT OR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACCESS WAY IN BETWEEN TWO PROPERTIES. SO YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS STILL YOUR PROPERTYY& LINE, CORRECT? INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO 12 FOOT DRIVEWAYS, YOU'REE& GOING TO HAVE ONE 24 FOOT WIDE. SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY.
YES. CORRECT. YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO YOUR 12 FOOT IS THAT IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND WE CAN'T REALLY REQUIRE ANYTHING PAST, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT OF WAY AS FAR AS WITHIN THEIR PROPERTIES.
OKAY. IT'S ALL TYPICALLY CITIES TEND TO BE OUT OF THAT PLACE. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, LIKE ON ON COVENANTS, TYPICALLY THE CITIES ARE NEVER PART OF THOSE COVENANTS. THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, PRIVATELY BECAUSE THE& MAY GO BEYOND OUR OUR YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CRAZY, MAN. THEYY& MIGHT WANT TO PARK. NO THEY'LL PARK THEY'LL PARK THERE 12.
THEY'LL COVER THEIR SIDE ANDD& THEY'LL GET INTO YOUR SIDE. YEAH. NO, DEFINITELY. YOU MIGHT HAVE A YOU I MEAN JUST TO. SO JUST TO NOTE A FUTURE ISSUE, JUST TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF IT& BUT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TAKING NOTE OF THAT, I'LL MAKE A NOTE AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE.& WHAT WE COULD DO IS LIKE JUST A& A LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE HAVE LIKE DIFFERENT NOTES HERE ALREADY, LIKE, AND WHAT WE COULD DO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PART OF THIS CODE. LIKE AGAIN, IF IT MAKES SENSE, LIKE PUT A NOTEE& THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SOME DESIGNATE AGREEMENT SHALL BE AS PER SECTION. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. OF THE TOWN OF HORIZON MUNICIPAL CODE. OKAY. AND THEN THAT WAY THERE'S A REFERENCE TO& WHAT THAT IS. IT'S NOT OUTLINED& HERE, BUT IT'S CROSS-REFERENCED& WITH THE OTHER SECTION OF THE CODE. SO I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO LOOK AT THAT AND I'LL CHECK WIT& ART WITH THAT SECTION. LOOKS LIKE. YEAH OKAY OKAY. AND THEN ALSO GO TO UNLESS ANYONE HAD A QUESTION STILL ON THAT SAME IFF& YOU COULD GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET NEIGHBORHOOD STREET SECTIONS I THINK THAT'S 4.8. PAGE 4.8. YES. 4.8. IT'S GOING TO BE 4.8 AND 4.9. AND IT WASS& JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. SO UNDER SECTION FOUR POINT 0.1, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE RATIONALE USED TO ELIMINATE THE NARROW STREET, THE CENTRAL GREEN AVENUE AND THE TRAIL GREEN SECTIONS? YES. THIS IS THIS ONE PARTICULAR BECAUSE LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH CITY STAFF THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A 60 LIKE YOU, YOUR YOUR STREET RIGHT OF WAY IS AGAIN, BECAUSE WE GO BACK TO IT'S BEEN PLOTTED IS ALREADY DEFINED FOR YOU. AND SO THIS WAS A THIS WAS A THIS WAS A CROSS SECTION THAT WAS PART OF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND AS WE STARTED T& CALIBRATE IT AND, AND AGAIN TOO& THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE GETTING IT TO WHAT THE DIMENSIONAL
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STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE NOW, THIS WAS A STREET THAT YOU REALLY COULD HAVE BUILT. LIKE WHERE WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO BUILD IT? SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT SUREE& IF YOUR DRAFT HAS AN ADDITION TO THIS. WHEN THERE WAS OTHER ONES THAT WE TOOK OUT. YES, THAT WAS IT INCLUDED THE CENTRAL AVENUE AND THE TRAIL GREEN SECTIONS. YES. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO THAT WAS THAT WAS REALLY THE CONSIDERATION IS THAT WE WEREE& TRYING TO FIT, WE WERE TRYING TO DESIGN STREETS THAT FIT WITHIN THE 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MY DRAFT, IS THAT WE AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATION THAT SOMEBODY THE CITY SPECIFICALLY WANTS TOO& REPLAT THAT YOU COULD DO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE KEPT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S IN YOUR DRAFT, BUT 4.09. YEAH. SO THAT ONE WE GOT RID OF BECAUSE I THINK THAT ONE WAS TOO WIDE. RIGHT. WHAT IS THE 80. YEAH, 80. SO YOU HAVE A 422& AND AN 80. AND ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY THING YOU GOT TO WORK WITH& IS 60. SO YOU TOOK THEM OFF CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN& I WAS GOING TO SAY THE EXCEPTION THAT WE KEPT IS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEDESTRIAN STREET, IN CASE THERE IS SOME ASPECT OF& A DEVELOPER THAT. ACQUIRES ENOUGH PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO REPLANT AND THAT THEY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAY WANT TO HAVE A LIKE A PEDESTRIAN STREET OR A HIKING BIKE, THE SHARED USE PATH THAT IT'S STILL PART OF YOUR CODE TO GIVE THEM THAT OPTION. OKAY. ALTHOUGH IT'S WE INCLUDED THEM IN THERE AS PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS. BUT UNLESS SOMEBODY HOLY DOES A NEW REPLAT, YOU REALLY AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE STREETS. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE THINKINGG& THROUGH THOSE. YEAH. 4.2 I THINK. COULD YOU GO TO 5.2, 5.2 HISTORY. FOR THE SIGNAGE STANDARDS. ARE THESE BASED OFF OF THE CITY OF EL PASO? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT THESE WERE ALSO CALIBRATED FOR HORIZON. AND AS PART OF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE PURPOSE OF THE SIGNAGE STANDARDS IS YOU, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE. AND WE GIVE YOU EXAMPLES ON THE FOLLOWING PAGES, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TOO& HAVE SIGNS THAT ARE. AGAIN PEDESTRIAN, REALM, SMALLER, NOT INTRUSIVE POLE SIGNS AREN'T ALLOWED. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY. I COULD CHECK WITH STAFF, BUT I THINK THAT THESE WERE JUST TAKEN FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH WE DEVELOPED SEVERAL YEARS BACK, AND THEN JUST CALIBRATED IT OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DO END UP OPENING HERE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT DON'T HAVE SO MUCH RESTRICTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE THEY HAVE. OF COURSE, IF CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES IN AND FIGURES THAT THERE'S A SAFETY HAZARD OR VISIBILITY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT A LOT OF BURDEN ON OUR SMALL BUSINESSES TO FOLLOW WORD FOR WORD, EACH SIGNAGE SECTION. BUT I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR. MR. THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO. SO WHATEVER YOU CODIFY AND, AND WHATEVER THE LAW IS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT IT GIVES THE STAFF. AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, RIGHT, LIKE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A FORM BASED CODE OR A CODE LIKE THIS IS TO HAVE SOMEE& DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY. SO THE FLEXIBILITY COMING IN THAT MANY& TIMES DEVELOPERS THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME SIX MONTHS TOO& 12 MONTHS TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. SO LIKE, WHY AM I GOING TO DO THAT? IN THIS CASE, IT EXPEDITES THAT TIMELINE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT IN A PERMIT APPLICATION. YOU STILL HAVE TOO& TELL THE CITY WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING, BUT THEY STILL HAVE T& BE WITHIN THE STANDARDS THATT& YOU'RE OUTLINED HERE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SOME PROPERTY, SOME SMALL PROPERTY OWNER MAY WANT T& HAVE I'M JUST SAYING A POLE SIGN. IT'S YOU CAN'T PUT A POLE SIGN IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S COUNTER TO WHAT COUNTER TO& THE TYPE OF PUBLIC REALM YOU WANT TO CREATE. OKAY. AS AN EXAMPLE, AS AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR, THAT THERE'S NO EXPECTATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING FORTH IN YOUR CODE. AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M MISCHARACTERIZING THAT. SO, RIGHT. JUST FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, WHATEVER IS IN HERE IS WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM& WHAT WE'RE USED TO DOING FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND SEE THAT THIS BOUNDARIES, THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES ARE GOING TO HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF ZONING RULES. 1,000%. YEAH. AND THEN ALSO TO REITERATE ONLY INN& THIS BOUNDARY, RIGHT, RIGHT. LIKE IF YOU'RE NOT SAYING TOO& DEVELOPERS DON'T BUILD HERE, DON'T CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT, YOU'RE JUST SAYING IN THIS 60[01:30:02]
ACRE PARCEL OF LAND OF WHICH THE CITY HAS VERY DILIGENTLY TAKEN A LEAD TO DEVELOP, THE STANDARDS WILL BE DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO I MEAN, COULD YOU GO TO SECTION 6.1? YES, SURE. SO PAGE 6.1. SO UNDER SECTION 6.4 INTERPRETATION, IT STATES THATT& THESE LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION RULES OVERRIDE ALL OTHER CITY LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO TO CLARIFY THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT THIS SECTION WILLL& LIVE BY ITS OWN SET OF RULES. CORRECT? OKAY. IT'S THIS SECTION ONLY LIVES IN THIS IN THIS ZONING CODE. YES. CORRECT. AND THAT SEEMS. BECAUSE I IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE& ANY LANDSCAPING CODE. DO YOU. W& HAVE A VERY NICE MINIMUM. YES.CORRECT. OKAY. YES. AND THEN IT WOULD BE SO WHILE IT SAYS THAT THE CHAPTER IS SUBORDINATE TOO& CITY TRAFFIC RULES, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS INTERFERE WITH VISIBILITY, ACCESS AND PARKING? AND ARE THERE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS FOR BUSINESS OWNERS NEEDING MODIFICATIONS FOR SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY? SO THE ANSWER TO& THAT QUESTION IS WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A SITE MASTER SITE PLAN. ART, OR YOUR CITY ENGINEER WILL HAVE TOO& ENSURE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE VISIBILITY, THE TRIANGLE VISIBILITIES WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE CREEPING IN THAT RIGHT. THERE'S THAT SECTION WHERE YOU WANT TO YOUR VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THAT. AND SO THAT'S A THAT'S A CALL THAT THE STAFF WOULD BEE& ABLE TO MAKE. OKAY. CORRECT..& OKAY. SO I THINK COULD YOU GO T& PAGE 6.66.6. AND I JUST WANTED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. SO BUSINESS OWNERS ARE REQUIRED TO& REPLACE ANY DEAD PLANTS WITHIN 60 DAYS AFTER CITY NOTIFICATION, WITH ONLY A POSSIBLE 30 DAY EXTENSION. AND YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT CREATE UNDUE BURDEN, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING FACTORS LIKE EXTREME WEATHER, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES OR FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS. AND SO WHAT THE CITY CONSIDER A MORE FLEXIBLE APPROACH BASED ON SEASONAL AVAILABILITY OR FINANCIAL HARDSHIP EXEMPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING, MR. RUBIO. TYPICALLY WHAT CITIES HAVE DONE& IS LIKE THEY KEEP A, A, A GUIDE, IF YOU WILL, OF THE TYPE OF TREES THEY RECOMMEND. RIGHT. AS& FAR AS THAT WOULD SURVIVE, LIKE DROUGHT TOLERANT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD, THE GUIDELINES DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
RIGHT. AS FAR AS KEEPING IT, IT'S STILL HERE. YEAH. YOU STILL HAVE A YOU STILL HAVE THE GUIDELINES IN ADDITION TO WHAT ART MENTIONED. MR. THAT I THINK THAT'S SO WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST LIKE IF SO I THINK THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE IS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S YOU'RE PAYING SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE PUBLIC REALM. RIGHT. THE WAY THAT THINGS LOOK, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T OTHER PARTS OF HORIZON THAT AREN'T CONSIDERED IN THAT MANNER. BUT IN THIS IN THIS CASE, WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID IS SOME DEGREE OF LONGEVITY, WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T MAINTAIN THEIR PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT THRESHOLD OF BETWEEN 30 AND 60 DAYS. I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITHIN TWO MONTHS, THEN LIKE, HOW HOW MUCH LONGER SHOULD YOU GIVE SOMEONE THE TERM THE IN TERMS OF THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOUR LEGAL STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW THAT PLAYS IN, BUT. WELL, IT'S BECAUSE FOR THIS ISSUE IT'S SPILLED OVER INTO VIOLATIONS AND PENALTY WITH THAT'S GOING TO BE ON PAGE 6.7. AND SO IT STATES THAT VIOLATIONS CAN LEAD TO A FINE OF $2,000 PER DAY, WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. AND SO I JUST WANT& TO MAKE SURE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS TO PREVENT DISPROPORTIONATE PENALTIES FOR MINOR OR FIRST TIME INFRACTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. WE COULD TAKE A LOO& AT IT, BUT I DON'T I WHAT WEE& COULD ALSO MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT& IS THAT WHATEVER CODE ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, MAYBE IT REFLECTS THAT AS WELL. WE DIDN'T REVIEW THAT BECAUSE WE WERE JUST YOU WERE RIGHT. WE CREATED THIS ONE FOR THIS SECTION. I THINK 90 DAYS IS 90 DAYS. WELL, IF IT'S TWO MONTHS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS, GRACE, I MEAN, A QUARTER OF BUSINESS AND YOU CAN'T FIX STUFF LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IT'S YOU DON'T WANT THE PLACE TO START LOOKING BAD AND DISCOURAGE OTHER BUSINESSES, PEOPLE FROM COMING AND COMMUTING DOWNTOWN. SO I I'M ALL FOR IT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE A LOT OF AREAS AROUND HERE DON'T KEEP UP WITH UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE. AND SOME OF THE AREAS LOOK, YOU KNOW, LOOKS BAD.
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I THINK THIS AREA IS SUPPOSED T& BE THE JEWEL OF HORIZON, RIGHT? IT SHOULD EVENTUALLY END UP BEING WHAT WE PUT IN OUR FLIERS WHEN WE TELL PEOPLE TO MOVE TO HORIZON. I ALSO AGREE WITH MR. GARDELLA THAT MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS CREATE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS, FOR THEM TO FOLLOW THE RULES. TWO MONTHS IS ADEQUATE, BUT MAYBE THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX HERE. JUST A QUICK NOTE, SIR. BEFORE YOU GO INTO THAT, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THE EDC IS GOING TO INCENTIVIZE THIS ENTIRE AREA. OKAY. ANYBODY THAT BUILDS TO THOSE STANDARDS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT. THEY THEY'RE ALREADY HAVE SAID THAT THEY THE& WOULD INCENTIVIZE, BUT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WHAT MR. HIS CONCERN IS, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVIZING TO COME HERE AND BUILD AND OPEN UP SHOP HERE, RIGHT. AND ALSO KEEP UP WITH THE STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE WHAT THEY DO NOW IS, IS WHEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DEVELOP AND THEY WANT INCENTIVES DON'T COME WITH PLANS AND SUBMIT THOSE PLANS AND THEN AGREE TO CERTAIN MAYBE EXTRAS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THEY COULD INCENTIVIZE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS IS, IS WELL KEPT. RIGHT. SO THEY NEED TO REPLACE A SHRUB OR WHATEVER THE EDC CAN SAY, WELL, THIS IS WE HAVE A DEAL WITH LOWE'S TO GET THESE SHRUBS AT A DISCOUNT. RIGHT? I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM. AND THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S WE'RE NOT JUST BEATING THEM WITH A STICK. WE'RE ALSO THROWING A CARROT OUT THERE. YES, SIR. AND THEN I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE CARLOS SAID, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO THIS CODE. AND I'M SURE THAT WE COULD RIGHT. THERE WOULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, IF THERE IS A SITUATION LIKE THAT, OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN LAST NOTE I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ABLE CITY USED AN EXCELLENT LANDSCAPING CONSULTANT. IT WAS THE DRY LAND& I THINK THEY CALL IT THE DRY LAND. AND THEY I MEAN, THE WAY THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER WAS, WAS EXCELLENT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN FROM BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCEE& AND ALL THIS, THAT'S HOW THEYY& CAME UP WITH ALL THIS WHICH IS, WHICH IS I THOUGHT WAS EXCELLENT. THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT I JUST OH, HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I AGREE TO TWO MONTHS IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO HELP THEM. I WOULD JUST LET THEM KNOW BEFORE THEY COME IN. I MEAN, MAYBE HEY, AND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE NOT GOING T& READ IT PAGE BY PAGE. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS ALREADY BECAUSE IF YOU REQUIRE THEM AND I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, TO PUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE TREES FOR EVERY, YOU KNOW, 50FT OF FRONTAGE THAT YOU'VE GOT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TOO& PUNISH THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE DAMN TREES THA& YOU MADE THEM PUT. I CAN SEE YOUR CONCERN, BUT IF YOU'REE& SAYING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF THOUGHT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT& YOU HAVE TO PUT ISN'T GOING TOO& BE SOMETHING THAT IT'S DROUGHT TOLERANT. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK WITHIN THE REGION AND THEN ALSO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE INCENTIVES DO COME WITH WITH THIS REQUIREMENT. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPE. AND THESE ARE THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. JUST HEY, BEFORE YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AN HOA, IF YOUU& WILL. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, MR. I WAS GOING TO MENTION, AND NOT JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, RIGHT. BECAUSE AND IT MAY BE PREMATURE, BUT IT MAY END UP BEING THAT YOU HAVE A DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, PERHAPS A TERSE. ANDD& THEN YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT MANAGES THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN, THE CODE IS WRITTEN FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT? AS ITT& SHOULD BE. AND AGAIN, WE MAY BE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION OR OUT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MANAGE THE PUBLIC REALM. SO AT THAT POINT THIS IS MOOT. BUT IT'S STILL YOU SHOULD STILL PUT SOME ONUS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. BUT IN TERMS OF& THE MANAGEMENT OF THE TO YOUR POINT, MR. AVILA, THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE EXCEPTIONALLY BEAUTIFUL AND GREAT. YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC ENTITY MANAGE THE SIDEWALKS, THE MAINTENANCE, THE PARKING LOTS.RIGHT. WHATEVER IT IS THAT THAT ENTAILS. AND IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER PARTS, LIKE IN OTHER PROJECTS. OKAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW. ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS AREA DOES LOOK NEAT. IT'S JUST WHEN READING PENALTIES, I THINK $2,000 A DAY, I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN REVIEW THAT. I'M THINKING OF, LET'S SAY A COFFEE BAR WAS LOCATED IN THIS LOCATION. AND DURING COVID WE HAD MAJOR SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND BUSINESSES DID HAVE THEY LOST A LOT OF PROFIT. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT PERSON AND THINK EXTREME. BUT IF WE EVER FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION, I WOULDN'T WANT OUR BUSINESSES TO&
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BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE TOO& COMPLY WITH THE $2,000 FINE PER DAY. I'M SORRY, CAN I SAY YES? OF COURSE. I WAS GOING TO ALSO SAY THAT SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE IS CURRENTLY IN OUR MOST OF OUR CODES. WHEN WE BRING AMENDMENTS& TO YOU ALL, YOU'LL SEE THAT SEVERABILITY CLAUSE THAT'S IN THERE. AND IT TYPICALLY SAYS $2,000. BUT I MEAN THE CITY WON'T EXERCISE JUST I THINK THAT'S THE MAXIMUM, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE AMOUNT THAT WILL& BE SET. IT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE OKAY. AND UP TILL NOW I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, BEEN IMPOSED ON ANYONE. SO IF THE CITY ISN'T THAT QUICK TO, TO IMPOSE THAT ONLY IF IT'S SOMETHING SERIOUS, ESPECIALLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TOO& KEEP THE FORM THAT CARLOS WAS SAYING. SO TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE STRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. YEAH. APPLYING ANY MORE LENIENCE AND IT JUST WON'T BE ADHERED EXACTLY. BUT AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, AGAINST, YOU KNOW, SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT WAS NEEDED BASED ON A CASE BY CASE SITUATION. BUT WE WOULD WANT TO& KEEP THE FORM RIGHT AS LONG ASS& WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR CODE FOR THE CITY TO WORK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS VERSUSS& NOTHING AT ALL. AND I'M SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN OUR CODES ALREADY. AND I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FROM US. IT'S& MY LAST. IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE 6.7. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER. LET ME SEE. PROPERTYY& OWNER RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE UNDER ENFORCEMENT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. BUT IT SAYS THAT THE REGULATION MANDATES THAT BUSINESSES MAINTAIN STREET TREES ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO FUTURE PROOF THAT THIS DOESN'T CREATE A LIABILITY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, TREE BRANCHES FALLING ROOT DAMAGES TO SIDEWALKS. AND HAS THE CITY EVALUATED THE LEGAL RISKS OF SHIFTING THIS RESPONSIBILITY TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS INSTEAD OF HANDLING IT THROUGH A PUBLIC MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS? AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MR. RUBIO. I, I THINK THAT'S A STANDARD.MR. THAT LIKE IF AGAIN, LIKE IF I I'D MAYBE ART IF YOU WANT TOO& CHIME IN. BUT I THINK THAT THE IF AGAIN IF I HAVE A TREE A ROOT OF THE TREE THAT'S ON MY PROPERTY AND YOU TRIP AND FALL, I THINK YOU COULD SUE ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SHOULD COVER IT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ACCEPT SOMEONE FROM SHOULD THAT LIKE THAT. THAT BEING RESPONSIBLE. SO HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO AWAY WITH THAT WHEN I THINK IT'S A STANDARD RIGHT ACROSS THE CITY. YEAH. AND I'M JUST HOPING& WE COULD PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY HAVING THIS DIALOG AND PROVIDING SOME MORE CLARIFICATION SO I BETTER UNDERSTAND, THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I LOOKED AT, READ AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON. WAS, I'M MAKING A NOTE. YEAH. YES, SIR.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANY MORE COMMENTS? SORRY, GUYS. NO NO NO NO. NO THAT'S THAT'S THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE ALL DRESSED UP TODAY FOR THIS I KNOW I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. WE'RE IN SUITS.
WHAT'S GOING ON? MR. RUBIO? WHA& IS OUR NEXT STEP HERE TOO& PUBLICLY VOCALIZE THE AMENDMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE TOWARDS US, TO CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? YEAH. THE SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THE LANGUAGE TO& BE THE RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, ALONG WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES YOU'RE PROPOSING TO THE TO THE. OKAY. SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THE AGAIN THE BICYCLE LANE. I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MR. GALLINA SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK AT. CAN WE MAKE THAT AMENDMENT? HOW DO I HOW DO I VOICE THAT IS MY QUESTION. YOU WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH, AGAIN WITH& THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK ALL OF THEM. RIGHT. AS DISCUSSED. AND THEN WHAT WE WILL THEN DO IS NOTE THEM. AND WHEN THIS GOES BACK TO COUNCIL IS RED LINE THOSE ITEMS FOR YOU AND FOR COUNCIL. THERE MAY BE SOME I DON'T KNOW I DON'T I'M JUSTT& SAYING THERE MAY BE SOME INSTANCES, ONCE WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF MORE RESEARCH, THAT WE MAY LEAVE THAT ONE AS, AS IS PRESENTED, BUT WE'LL MAKE A NOT& OF IT SO THAT THERE'S LIKE A MATRIX OF YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN A COLUMN THAT SAYS HOW IT WAS CHANGED OR ADDRESSED. AND THERE MAY BE AGAIN, I'M NOT THERE MAY BE AN INSTANCE IN WHERE IT MAY BE LIKE NOT ADDRESSED OR LEFT ALONE, AND THEN IT COULD BE PAR& OF THE CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL MAY WANT TO LOOK AT. OKAY. SO WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL THERE'S STILL A FEW OTHER. LIKE YOUR, YOUR EDITS THAT WILL THAT WILL MAKE. SO THE FINAL DRAFT TO COUNCIL WILL REFLECT YOUR
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COMMENTS OKAY. AND SO AGAIN WHETHER IT'S A MEMO OR A MATRIX OR PART OF THE PRESENTATION WIL& SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGSS& THAT PNC ASKED US TO REVIEW, OKAY? BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TOO& NOTE, THERE WILL ALSO BE A FINAL LEGAL REVIEW, CORRECT AS WELL. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. WELL THEN I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT. IN THIS PRESENTATION WE INCLUDE THE. STUDY AND POSSIBLE CONTINUITY OF BICYCLE LANES WITHIN THE TOD SO THAT THEY CONNECT TO OTHER BICYCLE LANES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING AROUND THE TOD. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE T& INCLUDE BACK INTO THE LANGUAGE THE INCLUSION OF EV CHARGING STATIONS. AND MR. JOLLY, YOU WORDED IT PERFECTLY. YOU SAID YOU THINK THE BEST LOCATION WOULD BE IN THE TRANSIT CENTERR& AND THE TRANSIT CENTER. YEAH.AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST ONE WOULD BE. FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ENTITY TO MANAGE THE PUBLIC AREAS. I THINK YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED THIS AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION WITH MR. THE. THOSE WERE MY THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. I'LL ADD A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE T THREE SECTION SHOULD YOUR LOT SIZES REMAIN AT 30FT IN WIDTH, YOU DO NOT ALLOW ANY LEEWAY ON THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. YES, SIR. AND I DID NOTE THAT ONE. AND I STILL WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU JUST SO THAT ON YOUR OTHER COMMENT ON THE. IF YOU KNEW ABOUT 30FT AND YOU REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE FIVEE& FOOT SETBACKS, THAT LEAVES 20FT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT BUILDERS ARE GOING TO STRUGGLE TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE, WHICH WILL FORCE THEM TO REDO. YEAH, BUT IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO 20FT, THEY'LL FIND A WAY. YEAH, I HAVE IT ON PAGE 210, I BELIEVE. SO WE'LL REVIEW THAT SECTION. ALSO, AS MR. GARCIA HAD OUTLINED ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. I HAVE LIKE AN OVERARCHING MOTION TO PUT ALL OF OUR COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT. SURE. SO THE MOTION I'LL MAKE JUST SO& YOU ALL CAN HEAR IT AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS IF NEEDED. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. THE PROPOSED TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS BE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED WITHH& THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE ISSUES AND COMMENTS PRESENTED B& THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BE ADDRESSED AND REVISED BEFORE PRESENTATIONN& BEFORE THE HORIZON CITY COUNCIL.
SECOND, THAT WORKS GOOD. FOR THE COMMISSION. SO THE MOTION CORRECT. SECOND. OKAY, CHARLIE MELENDEZ. HI, RODRIGUEZ. HI. HI. HI. HI. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU ALL. REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. THANK
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YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING ON TO NUMBER FIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS. THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, IT WILL BE MONDAY, APRIL 21ST, 2025 AT 6 P.M. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, SECOND. ALL THE COMMISSION. CHARLIE A MELENDEZ. RODRIGUEZ. HI. AVILA. GARCIA. HI. HI. OKAY.OKAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. NO, SIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TOO& ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND. SEC
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