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OKAY. 6:08 P.M. WE'RE GOING TOO& GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING T& ORDER. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG O& THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. AND I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUORUM. DO WE HAVE ANY ABSENCES? OF SUBSTANCES OR. RODRIGUEZ, BARRY. AND COOPER. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. YOU SAID EXCUSE FOR ME AND THE OTHER TWO ARE IN EXCUSED. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. LET ME PULL IT.
JUST SO WE HAVE A VERBAL RECORDING. WE PULL THE MEMBERS.& YEAH. CHARLIE. HI. MELENDEZ. HI.
HI. HI. HI. SO, MOVING OVER TO ITEM TO OPEN FORUM. NO ONE'S ALLOWED TO
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SPEAK, SIR. OKAY. MOVING ON TOO& PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ITEM FOUR, A DISCUSSION, RECOMMENDATION ON THE RESUBMITTED REPLAT APPLICATION FOR HORIZON MANOR, UNIT THREE, REPLAT EIGHT, CASE NUMBER RP ZERO ZERO 2460 2020..& LEGALLY IS TRAVIS. A PORTION OF LOT 19, BLOCK NINE, HORIZON MANOR, UNIT THREE, TOWN OF HORIZON, CITY OF EL PASO COUNTY, TEXAS, CONTAINING 7.9365 ACRE ACRES PLUS MINUS. APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY KATY CONSULTING. POSTPONED AT THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2025 PMC MEETING. OKAY, JUST TO& GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT, I'M SORRY, WE'RE NOT READY. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. THE LAST THING W& NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO GET A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST RECENTLY REQUESTED, BECAUSE WE ARE REQUESTING A COUPLE OF MORE PIECES, OR I SHOULD SAY, A FEW MORE FEET OF PROPERTY THAT WE NEED FOR EASEMENTS, FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY WILL BE A POND, BUT IT IS ALREADY A POND, BUT IT WILL BE OFFICIALLY A POND. OKAY, SO THEY'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS BE POSTPONED? YES, SIR.OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TOO& POSTPONE? MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND. SORRY.
LET'S LET ME LET ME. AND I JUST CUT THIS TO. YEAH. ARE WE MAKING A MOTION TO POSTPONE OR MOTION TO APPROVE? SORRY. MOTION TOO& POSTPONE. MOTION TO POSTPONE. T& POSTPONE. APPROVE. POSTPONEMENT.
GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SECOND, I HEARD OVER HERE. RIGHT. OKAY. LET'S PULL THEM UP.
MEMBERS. CHARLIE. HI, MELENDEZ. HI. HI. HI, HI. MOVING ON TOO& ITEM FOUR V DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANN& APPLICATION FOR RANCHO UNIT 18, CASE NUMBER SDP 25 0001 IS A PORTION OF THE LAKE CLARK SURVEY NUMBER 287, TOWN OF HORIZON CITY, EL PASO COUNTY, TEXAS, CONTAINING 17.354 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS. APPLICANT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE TIERRA AND ASSOCIATES. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, ART RUBIO, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS NEXT ITEM IS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR RANCHO DESIERTO, UNIT 18. THE PROPERTY& IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY WEST OF DARRINGTON ROAD AND SOUTH OF CLARK PLACE. THE REQUEST IS FOR AN 89 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. AN ACCESS PRIMARY ACCESS IS FROM CLARK. PLACE ASS& FAR AS PARKLAND AND FEES. I WANTED TO JUST DO A QUICK FLOOR AMENDMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT. WE HAD CONFUSED UNIT 17 WITH UNIT 18. SO FOR UNIT 18, THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR ONE ACRE AND PARK FEES IN THE IN THE AMOUNT OF 15,600. OKAY. THAT'S THE FLOOR AMENDMENT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO ON THE LEFT IS THE AERIAL VIEW. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S TO THE NORTH IS PRIMARILY ALL
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OUR NINE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AND THIS ISS& THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU'LL SEE THE ZONIN& MAP. AGAIN. IT'S ALL OUR NINEE& SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THEN OUTLINING THAT GREEN COLOR IS THE ACTUAL BOUNDARIES OF THE SUBDIVISION. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP. AGAIN. IT'S WESTT& OF DARRINGTON ROAD AND SOUTH OF CLARK PLACE, AND IT'S DIRECTLY BELOW RESIDENTIAL UNIT 16, AND THEN TO THE EAST OF RANCHO DE CIERTO, UNIT 17. THAT WAS NOT TOO LONG AGO. IN YELLOW IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF. AGAIN, IT'S 89 LOT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. AND THEN IN BLUE AND LIGHT BLUE IS THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. AND THEN AS FAR AS PONDING, THIS WILL BE PONDING T& AN ADJACENT SUBDIVISION. I THINK IT'S 17 THAT HAS THE PONDING. YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF HERE ONN& THE IN THE BACK, ON THE BACK. WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ANYTHING LIKE RIGHT THERE. OH OKAY. YEAH. ON THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER. RIGHT. OKAY. UNLESS THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ENGINEER AND THEN THIS THESE ARE THE CROSS SECTIONS EXISTING IS CLERICAL PLACE. IT'S A 76 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE GOING TO BE 522& FOOT RIGHT OF WAYS ON THE BOTTOM THERE. WITH THAT, THERE ARE SOME TENDER PENDING, I'M SORRY, PENDING MINOR COMMENTS. THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE WERE STILL GETTING SOME COMMENTS AND WE GO& THE COMMENTS A LITTLE LATE TO THE APPLICANT. SO THE APPLICANT COULDN'T TURN AROUND THE REVISIONS SO QUICKLY. SO EVENN& WITH THAT, WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT T& ADDRESSING ALL THE COMMENTS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL, AND ALSO& THAT THE EMERGENCY. TRAINING CUL DE SACS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION BE RECORDED PRIOR TO PRIOR TO THIS PLAT BEING RECORDED. THESE ARE THE EASEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE LIKE SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE OF THE OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT ASSURANCE THAT THEY'LL THEY'LL REMAIN THERE. WE KNOWW& THAT THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS ARE COMING, BUT BEST PRACTICE IS THAT YOU REALLY APPROVE WHAT'S WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO ANYTHING OUTSIDE, THAT'S WHY WE WANT THE THOSE EASEMENTS TO BE RECORDED. TEMPORARY TURNAROUND TURNAROUNDS FOR THOSE TWO STREETS. WITH THAT AGAIN BASED ON MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER FOUR FO& PRELIMINARY PLATS. SCRATCH THE FINAL PLAT IS ONLY A PRELIMINARY. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THOSE ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS. IF THOSE TEMPORARY TURNAROUNDS ARE TO BE REMOVED, WILL THEY HAVE T& PROVIDE ACCESS TO LIKE MAJOR ARTERIAL OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN? BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL BRINGING THE NEXT PHASES OF THE SUBDIVISION? THEY NEED TO SHOW HOW THIS SUBDIVISION WOULD WOULD HAVE A TURNAROUND, SAFE TURNAROUND FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PUTTING THOSE IN THERE. IT'S STILL THEIR PROPERTY. HOWEVER, LIKE US, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT STAYS. IFF& IT'S IF FOR SOME REASON THEY GOT SOLD OR WHATEVER, THOSE ARE STILL EASEMENTS THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE AND THEN BE THE PERMANENT TURNAROUNDS, THE SAME THING THEY HAD TO DO T& THIS, THIS ONE AND THIS ONE, THEY DID IT ON 14 ALSO, AND ALL THESE OTHER ONES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT EVENTUALLY UNTIL THEY CONNECT, THEN THE NEXT ONE WILL STREETT& WILL RUN ON. OKAY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE APPLICANT DID PUT SOME NOTES ON THERE SAYING THAT THOSE, THOSE EASEMENTS WOULD BE RECORDED RIGHT THERE AND THEN RIGHT THERE. THAT'S TH& ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF IT. OTHER THAN THAT, WE COULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE COMMENTS THAT ARE THE SAME THING THROUGH ALL OF IT. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, SAY IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. THE COMMENTS THAT ARE ADDRESSED OR THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL AGENDA. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM DIFFERENT ENTITIES. YES, SIR.ALL THOSE THAT WOULD NEED TOO& ADDRESS. ARE THEY PERTAINING TO& THIS SUBDIVISION OR 18? THIS IS 17 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS 18 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THE COMMENTS ON THERE ARE FROM 17 OR FOR 18 BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A MIX UPP& THERE. YEAH. NO THEY'RE FOR 18.
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OH THEY ARE FOR 18. YES SIR. OKAY. SO THEN ARE WE ABLE TOO& BRING UP THOSE COMMENTS FROM 911I THINK WAS ONE OF THEM THAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT. THE. ACTUALLY, NO, I CAN PULL THAT UP. I HAVE IT I CAN READ THAT FOR THE 911 COMMENTS. YEAH. SO THE EL PASO 911 DISTRICT, THE COMMENT STATED, I'M NOT ABLE TO& SEE HOW ALL THE ADDRESSING WILL LINE UP ON FOX AND YUCCA, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ADJUST THE ADDRESSING SO THAT THE 14,300 BLOCK BEGINS AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARAVILLAS AND YUCCA ONLY, SO THAT THE RANGE DOESN'T GO FROM 14 TO 100 TO 14,300 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. THANK YOU. SO ON THOSE COMMENTS, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS AND TRYING TO FIND THAT INTERSECTION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS OR MENTION, AND I COULD NOT FIND MARAVILLA INTERSECTION INTERSECTING WITH FOX AND FAXON. AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. SHE COULD SHE COULD SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. TOO SOON FOR GOOGLE. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS KARIN BARRAZA WITH TERRAIN ASSOCIATES. THE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE PLAT. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ON GOOGLE MAP YET BECAUSE IT'S THE PLAT HASN'T BEEN RECORDED YET. OKAY.BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THIS CROSS INTERSECTION AT THE BOTTOM WAS. YEAH. SO THE 911 COMMENTS WAS T& RENUMBER ALL OF THOSE LOTS. WHA& IS THEIR ISSUE WITH THE NUMBERING? I THINK IT'S JUST THE CONTINUITY CONTINUATION OF THE NUMBERS. OKAY. SO HE DIDN'TT& AGREE WITH THE ONES THAT WE WERE PROPOSING. BUT THAT'S AN EASY FIX OKAY. YEAH. SO I'M ASSUMING& THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IN THE FIRE INDUSTRY IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE SPLITS. SOO& WHERE THE STREETS SPLIT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TOO& LOCATE AN ADDRESS IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS IT WITHH& THEM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, SO THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING IN THE SAME LANGUAGE, IF YOU WILL. NO. YEAH, WELL, WE ALWAYS FOLLOW THEIRR& COMMENTS. THEY'RE THEY WANT THAT. SORRY. THE ONE THAT TELLS US WHAT NUMBERS THEY WANT. SO WE FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY WANT US TO DO. SO CAN WE BRING THAT IMAGE AGAIN? THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT MARIA SAID. I THINK THIS IS MARIA RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN INITIALLY. CONNECT HERE. RIGHT. IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE YES PLEASE THAT OTHER IMAGE. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE NUMBERING OF THE RESIDENCES FOR EXAMPLE, ATT& THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE HOUSESS& THAT ARE BEING SHOWN WOULD MATCH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONES ON CLARET CUP PLACE, WHICH WOULD BE TWO STREETS NORTH OF THE IMAGE HERE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S 14,200 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, MORE& OR LESS IN THE SAME AREA, ITT& WOULD STILL BE 14,200. YEAH, I BELIEVE WE HAD 14,200. AND THEY& WANT TO DO 14,300 OKAY INSTEAD OF TWO THREE. BUT THEY WOULD MATCH MORE OR LESS, MORE ORR& LESS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN I WANTED TO ADDRESS ON THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. NO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PRESENTATION? NO, SIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR B WITH THE FOURR& AMENDMENTS REQUESTED BY STAFF,,& AND THAT ALL STAFF COMMENTS ARE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO PRESENTATION BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THEE& MOTION. OKAY, LET'S PULL THEE& COUNCIL. OKAY. JOHN MENENDEZ. AVILA. HI. HI. HI. THANK YOU,,& THANK YOU. MOVING OVER TO ITEM FOR C DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE VACATION APPLICATION REQUEST CASE NUMBER CV 24 0003 TO VACATE A PORTION OF A 60FT, 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND A TEN FEET UTILITY EASEMENT ON A PORTION OF LOTS ONE THROUGH TEN, BLOCK 19, AND LOTS ONE, THREE, 11, BLOCK 22. HORIZON COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES, UNIT THREE, TOWN OF HORIZON CITY, EL PASO COUNTY, TEXAS TOO& INCORPORATE AND MAKE FULL USE OF THE PROPERTY. CITY INITIATED..& VACATION POSTPONED AT THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2025 PNC MEETING. OH. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, ARE YOU AGAIN FOR THE RECORD? SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A RIGHT OF WAY VACATION OF IMMIGRANT ROAD, A PORTION OF IT. IT'S LOCATED
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NORTH OF HORIZON BOULEVARD AND EAST OF DARRINGTON ROAD. IT'S JUST RIGHT NEXT TO THE FIRST LIGHT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S DEAL I THINK OR DELAYED. NO TO LAKE TO& LAKE. AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TOO& THAT. PRIMARY ACCESS WOULD BEE& FROM DARRINGTON ROAD FOR THIS. SO WHAT IT WAS IS THAT THE CITY BOUGHT THIS THESE TWO BLOCKS. RIGHT. AND THEN TO MAKE BETTERR& USE OF THE PROPERTY TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHY THE CIT& IS PROPOSING TO VACATE THIS PIECE HERE SO THAT THEY COULD COMBINE THESE LOTS. AND THEN BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE THEY'RE CONFIGURED NOW, THEY'RE TOO SMALL FOR DEVELOPMENT AFTER THIS VACATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A REPLAT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SO THEY CAN COMBINE THOSE LOTS. ALSO, THERE'S EASEMENTS THROUGHOUT THESE LOTS TOO. THAT& WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO& DEVELOP AT ALL. THERE'S REALLY NO NO UTILITIES IN THERE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE REALLY A PROBLEM. WE DIDN'TT& REALLY GET ANY ADVERSE OR COMMENTS, NEGATIVE COMMENTS OR ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM FROM ANY OF THE UTILITIES. WE DID GET A FEW THAT MADE SOME COMMENTS I THINK ON THERE, BUT NOTHING NEGATIVE LIKE THAT AS FAR AS DOING THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY NO UTILITIES INSIDE THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S JUS& THE UTILITY EASEMENT PARALLEL WITH DARRINGTON ROAD THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO. WELL, THERE'S MORE. LET ME SHOW IT TO YOU ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL SURVEY. SO THAT'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTYY& RIGHT THERE. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE ALL AROUND IT IS PRETTY MUCH A C-1 COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THIS IS THESE ARE THE EASEMENTS RIGHT THERE. SEE THOSE THOSE RED LINES THERE. THOSE ARE ALL THE EASEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO VACATE. SO SINCE IT'S COMMERCIAL TYPICALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO I MEAN THE LOTS ARE WAY TOO SMALL FOR LIKE A COMMERCIAL PAD OR WHATEVER THAT YOU WANT T& PUT IN THERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THAT. SO ITT& WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF THOSE LOTS AND THEN REMOVAL OF THOSE EASEMENTS SO THEY COULD AGAIN MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE GOAL FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS AGAIN T& SPUR DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.THAT'S THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE, THE, THE SURVEY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN YELLOW, WHICH IS A PORTION OF IMMIGRANT ROAD. AGAIN, THEREE& WERE NO ADVERSE OR PENDING COMMENTS FROM FROM REVIEWING AGENCIES AND STAFF. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE VACATION OF RIGHT OF WAY AS IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTSS& OF ARTICLE 1.08. VACATION OF PUBLIC EASEMENTS OR RIGHTS OF WAY. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT YOU COULD CLARIFY. MR. SURE. UNDER THE STAFF REPORT, UNDER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT JUST SAYS NO COMMENT THAT YOU'RE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. YES, SIR. SO THERE'S NO YOU JUST MEANT TO SAY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. LET'S PULL THE CALL A MENENDEZ. HI.
HI. HI. HI. OKAY, SO MOVING OVER TO NUMBER FIVE OF THEIR BUSINESSES. DISCUSSION AND
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ACTION IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. MINUTES FOR THE MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 2025. OKAY, SO I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. COMMENTS. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TOO& APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TOO& APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND OKAY. LET'S PULL..& CHARLIE. HI. HI. HI. HI. HI. HI. HI. THANK YOU ALL. AND MOVING OVER. MOVING ON TO ITEM FIVE B DISCUSSION. RESEARCH FINDINGS ON THE ADDITION OF PNC. PLANNINGG& AND ZONING COMMISSION ALTERNATIVES. SO WE DID THE RESEARCH, AND BEFORE YOU, WE PRINTED OUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RULES AND THEN THE BOARD OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMEN& RULES AS WELL, SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS PUTTING ALTERNATES IN THERE. WHAT THEY DID WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS THEY DID THEY HAVE ONLY FIVE MEMBERS AND THEY DID FOUR ALTERNATES. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THISS& BODY WOULD BE, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE, WHAT, NINE MEMBERS, MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. ANOTHER FOUR ALTERNATES WOULD PROBABLY SUFFICE. I'M WONDERING IF MR. RUBIO CAN KIND OF JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TO WHAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS? ALL RIGHT. SO IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, I THINK I& WAS IN 23 AND 24. WE HAD QUITE A FEW ISSUES WITH, WITH WITH ESTABLISHING A QUORUM AND THE COST TO THE CITY WHEN YOU DON'T[00:20:07]
HAVE A QUORUM, ESPECIALLY ON ZONING CASES, IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE NOTIFY ALL THE RESIDENTS. AND THEN WE ALSO POST IT IN THE NEWSPAPER. AND THE NEWSPAPER COSTS ARE PRETTY HEAVY. SO EVERY TIME WE'D HAVE TO, TO PAY FOR THOSE, EVERY TIM& WE, WE POSTPONE IT. THERE WAS ONE CASE THAT WE DID FOR HUNTT& WHERE WE POSTPONED IT, I BELIEVE UP TO FIVE TIMES. SO THAT'S TIMES TWO NOTIFICATIONS IN THE NEWSPAPER. SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT WE DID IN NOTIFICATION FEES. OKAY. THAT'S ONE THING. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE AGAIN IS THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WONDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CASE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY KEEP COMINGG& OR KEEP CALLING OR WHATEVER, AND WE'RE STILL NOT THERE. AND THEY& MIGHT BE THINKING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S NOT REALLYY& THE CASE. IT'S JUST THAT THE CASE DIDN'T MOVE ALONG YET. THI& ISN'T THE CASE WITH SUBDIVISIONS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SUBDIVISIONS PER STATE CODE WOULD MOVE ON REGARDLESS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST WITH ZONING CASES THA& IF THERE'S A POSTPONEMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POSTPONEMENT, IT HAS TO STAY POSTPONED AND ITT& WON'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WHENEVER IT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT EVERY TIME, EVERY TIME THAT WE POSTPONE A ZONING CASE, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY IN THE NEWSPAPER EVERY TIME WE REPOST IT. OKAY. FOR THAT REASON. AND THEN AGAIN, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH IN A HURRY TO& GET THEIR THEIR PLATS REVIEWEDD& AND DONE AND ALL THAT. OR IF IT'S ZONING, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THEY NEED TO GET THEIR PROPERTY REZONED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE AND MOVE IT FORWARD. THE PROCESSES ARE A LITTLEE& LONGER ALREADY AS IT IS, BECAUSE UNLIKE THE CITY OF EL PASO, LIKE FOR PLATS, THE CITY OF EL PASO, THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES PLATS, WHEREAS HERE PLATS GO ALL THE WAY TO COUNCIL. THE ZONING IS THE SAME WITH THE& CITY OF EL PASO, BUT PLATS PLATS WOULD WOULD BE SLOWED DOWN QUITE A BIT TOO. SO I'M JUST SAYING FOR THOSE REASONS, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU WOULD ALSO NOTIFY RESIDENTS AND PUT STUFF IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PLATS, LIKE REPLANTS, THAT ARE LIKE WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CODE. OKAY, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME COST IN THERE TOO AS WELL, RIGHT? SO FO& THOSE REASONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TO MAKE THE COMMISSION A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT ABILITY OF BACKUPS IF YOU WILL.RIGHT. I BETWEEN LET'S CALL THEM A B TEAM. A TEAM. EXACTLY. AND THE WAY THAT THE WAY THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WORKS IS TYPICALLY YOU WOULD CALL THEM IF YOU CAN'T GET A QUORUM OR WHATEVER AND SEE IF SOMEBODY WAS AVAILABLE, SOME OF THEM JUST SHOW UP TO AND THEN FILL IN THE SEATS, OKAY. REGARDLESS, THEY'LL JUST COME IN. I MEAN, WEE& WOULDN'T MIND THAT EITHER, RIGHT? THEY WOULD JUST COME IN. I TALKED IT OVER WITH WITH LEGAL AND LEGAL SAID THERE WAS NO ISSUE. YOU JUST NEED TO AMEND THE CODE. RIGHT. THIS THIS THIS CODE HERE THAT ESTABLISHES THE P AND Z AND ALL THE ALTERNATES. S& THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. AND WE ALSO CHECKED THE, THE CHARTER FOR THE CITY. AND THE ONLY MENTION IN THE CHARTER IS REALLY MORE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. IT DOES NOT MENTION ANY OF THE BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS. IT'S JUST STRICTLY FOR THE COUNCIL. SOO& THERE'S NO ISSUES AS FAR AS VIOLATING ANY CITY CHARTER RULES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES LIKE THE CITY OF EL PASO, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY STRUGGLE WITH THAT AS MUCH. AND THEN I ALSO TALKED TO THE WITH THE STAFF, OTHER STAFF MEMBERS,& AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO WERE NOT TO DO ALTERNATES. THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TOO& ACTUALLY DO MORE OF BE A LITTLE STRICTER ON THE ON THE BOARDS AND THEN. START, YOU KNOW, I GUESS LETTING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE APPOINTEE IS NOT SHOWING UP TO THE COMMISSION, THEN YOU MAY WANT TO REPLACE THAT, THAT THAT BOARD MEMBER OR THAT COMMISSION MEMBER. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S FROM STAFF. COMING FROM STAFF. THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO CHANGE THE RULES, THE WHAT DID YOU CALL THEM? THE. THE LIKE, THE PROVISIONS. THE PROVISIONS. YEAH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THIS IS A DECISION THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD TAKE. O& DO WE HAVE ANY VOTE ON THIS? WELL, YOU WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TO THE COUNCIL. IT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU FIRST AND THEN ULTIMATELY T& THE COUNCIL, AND THE COUNCIL WOULD BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER. WHAT I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAY BRING UP TO YOU ALL AND SAY, IF YOU'RE HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE MEMBERS NOT COMING IN? RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD JUST LET YOU KNOW. RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALREADY, I BELIEVE, A CERTAIN.
RULES FOR HOW MANY ABSENCES ARE CONSIDERED TOO MANY. AND I THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH
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CONSECUTIVE. THREE CONSECUTIVE. RIGHT, WITHOUT WITHOUT EXCUSE, WITHOUT AN EXCUSE. RIGHT. MOSTT& OF YOUR MEMBERS HERE, THEY, THEY USUALLY CALL IN AND. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO ASK THEE& MEMBERS TO COME VERBALLY OR BY EMAIL, CONFIRM IF THEY ARE ORR& ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE, ALONG WITH TRYING TO SEEK ALTERNATES. OR I THINK THAT MY OPINION WOULD BE A BETTER STEPP& THAN TRYING TO USE A STICK TOO& ENFORCE THE RULES VERSUS TRYING TO USE A CARROT FIRST. I THINK THE ALTERNATE OPTION IS BETTER,& IN MY OPINION, TO TRY TO MEET THE OBJECTIVE OF MAKING SUREE& THAT OUR COMMISSION IS EFFICIENT AND WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD, VERSUS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WOULD BE THAT WEE& MIGHT END UP WITH TWO MEMBERS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ENFORCING THESE RULES. DRACONIAN, IF YOU WILL. AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO. FILL APPOINTMENTS. A LOT OF FOLKS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE EVENING, IT'S TOUGH FOR FOLKS TO. YEAH. AND LIKE MR. JOLLY SO RIGHTFULLY EXCLAIMED OR STATED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A PAY RAISE IN A WHILE. YOU KNOW. WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP TO THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE CHARTER ON THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S AT WITH THAT. YEAH, YEAH. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. YEAH. WELL, THIS IS A, THIS IS A DISCUSSION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING UP AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL AND SEE IF BY THAT TIME YOU CAN PRESENT SOMETHING TO US THAT WE CAN VOTE ON. YEAH. I MEAN, IF THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION FOR US TO DRAFT SOMETHING AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU, AT THAT POINT WE WOULD MEET WITH LEGAL AND THEN HAVEE& LEGAL HELP US DRAFT THE REVISION TO THIS TO THIS ORDINANCE QUESTION. WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT CAN SIT ON THE BOARD AT ONCE? SO 999 AND WE HAVE EIGHT OR WE HAVE NINE. WE HAVE I THINK WE HAVE EIGHT. YEAH. WE STILL HAVE ONE VACANCY. OH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JUST APPOINTING ONE LAST BOARD MEMBER VERSUS ASSIGNED ALTERNATES OR FLOATING ALTERNATES LIKE RIGHT. WHAT'S BETTER? MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT EVEN WHEN WE HAD ALL SEATS FILLED, WE STILL HAD ISSUES WITH SOME BOARD MEMBERS SHOWING UP. AND I CAN'T BE THE FIRST ONE TO START THROWING ROCKS AND CRITICIZING PEOPLE FOR NOT SHOWING UP, BECAUSE THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I COULDN'T COME BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING WITH MY JOB. SO I THAT'S NOT TO ME, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. IF YOU'RE WE'RE I'M GRATEFUL THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST WILLING TO BE HERE AND PARTICIPATE AND ASK GOOD QUESTIONS AND VET WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE US. I'M JUSTT& TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER OPTION.WHEN OUR MEMBERS CANNOT SHOW UP BECAUSE OF WORK REQUIREMENTS OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON VACATION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATE READY TOO& GO. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE SYSTEM BE DESIGNED IN A WAY WHERE WE GIVE THE ALTERNATESS& PLENTY OF TIME TO SHOW UP, PLENTY OF TIME TO SHOW UP SOO& THAT THEY CAN PREPARE THEMSELVE& AND BE ABLE TO READ THE ITEMS BEFORE THEY BEFORE THEY COME. SO MAYBE A SYSTEM WHERE WE KNOW BY, LET'S SAY, FRIDAY, WHO'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT. AND IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, THENN& WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE. AND THEN WE CAN CALL THE ALTERNATE. YEAH. BECAUSE IF BY FRIDAY THEY HAVEN'T TOLD US THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP, THEN TECHNICALLY IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. RIGHT? RIGHT. I WOULD THINK MAYBE MAYBE WE NEED TO DEFINEE& THAT TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. IS IT NOT NOTIFYING OR NOT VERIFYING WITH US BY FRIDAY 5 P.M. OR WHEN DOE& A WHEN DOES A CITY CLOSE ON FRIDAYS. ACTUALLY, THERE'S WE'RE NOT OPEN ON FRIDAYS. RIGHT. SOO& IT HAS TO BE THURSDAY THURSDAY 6 P.M. IS THAT WHEN IT CLOSES? SO& BY THURSDAY, 6 P.M, IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN EMAIL OR AA& PHONE CALL TELLING US, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE& TO MAKE IT, I'M GOING TO BE OUT& OF TOWN OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEN THAT'S CONSIDERED UNEXCUSED, RIGHT? AND AT THATT& POINT, WE COULD START REACHINGG& OUT TO THE ALTERNATE, TELL THEM, WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOU TO BE HERE TUESDAY. OKAY? RIGHT. I MEAN, WHAT WE COULD DO, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS. WE COULD BE SENDING YOU THE, LIKE, EARLY NOTIFICATION. AND THEN ONE LAST ONE RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT HOPEFULLY IT WOULD GIVE US A CONFIRMATION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THAT BY TEXT. WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT BY TEXT. YES, SIR. SO EMAIL TEXT OR PHONE CALL. RIGHT. HE TAKES US A WEEK BEFORE AND THEN A WEEK AND THEN A THURSDAY
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BEFORE. RIGHT. BUT I THINK I STILL THINK THAT WE STILL HAVE MEMBERS THAT DON'T RESPOND AT ALL. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PART& OF ATTACKING THIS PROBLEM IS FROM OTHER ANGLES. RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATES AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE THE GETTING SOME KIND OF RESPONSE FROM OUR MEMBERS AND MAYBE MANDATING A RESPONSE LIKE, YEAH, A TIMELY RESPONSE SO THAT IF NOT THURSDAY BY 6 P.M, ALTERNATES CAN BEE& NOTIFIED AND RIGHT. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN CAN BE SITTING AT ONCE, LIKE IN QUORUM, LIKE, SAY WE TELL TWO ALTERNATES TO COME AND THEN THE FULL PANEL SHOWS UP. SO NOW WE HAVE. SO THEY JUS& WON'T BE. YEAH, THEY WON'T BE O& THE THEY WON'T BE SITTING ON THE DAIS. YEAH. OKAY. OR THEY CAN LEAVE. THEY CAN BE DISMISSED AND THEY CAN JUST GO IF THEY LIKE AS WELL OKAY. I'M WONDERING, MR. RUBIO, DO YOU HAVE A BALLPARK NUMBER FOR THE AMOUNT OF TAX OR PUBLIC FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN WASTED ON NOTIFICATION FEES FROM THOSE DELAYS? I MEAN, JUST ON THAT, JUST ON THAT TIME THAT IT HAPPENED, I WOULD ■SAY OVER $5,000. AND HOW MUCH PERIOD OF TIME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK IT WAS LIKE $460 PER NOTIFICATION. SO, YEAH, AT TIMES, AND THEN IT WAS TIMES TEN. SO THAT'S $4,600. AND IS THIS A FIGURE FOR 2024, 2023? THAT ONE WAS THAT CASE HAPPENED& IN 23 I BELIEVE. RIGHT. 2323. SO I MEAN IT COULD BE HIGHER NOW. RIGHT? WE HAVE REDUCED SOME OF THE COSTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I THINK WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING I CAN'T RECALLL& OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THATT& WE USED TO DO BEFORE THAT IS SAVING THE CITY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AS FAR AS NOTIFICATIONS ARE CONCERNED. RIGHT. I THINK THAT SET OF NOTIFICATIONS WE WERE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WAS BEING REQUIRED. RIGHT. THE STATE ONLY REQUIRES THAT YOU NOTIFY RIGHT BEFORE YOU GO TOO& COUNCIL. SO ONLY ONCE. BUT THEY DO MANDATE THAT YOU DO SEND NOTICES BOTH TIMES, BOTH FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT WE IN OUR CODE, WE REQUIRE THAT BOTH THE NEWSPAPER AND THE NOTICE BE DONE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL. AND WHAT DID WE CHANGE THAT WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT. OH WE HAVEN'T. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING. WE HAD OKAY. SO THENN& WE'RE STILL INCURRING THOSE EXPENSES. I THINK AT THE TIME WE, WE TALKED TO MR. PADILLA OR& MISS GARCIA. I'M SORRY, MISS GARCIA. AND SHE, SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT FOLKS MAY THINK THAT WE WEREN'T BEING AS TRANSPARENT AND STUFF AND NOTIFYING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE HAVE A CODE THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH FOLKS NOT LIKING THAT AS FAR AS MAKING THAT CHANGE, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE AS TRANSPARENT ANYMORE. BUT IFF& WE DIDN'T DO IT, WE WOULD NOT BE VIOLATING ANY LAWS. NO, SIR. WE& WOULD BE COMPLIANT. COMPLIANT WITH TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND WE WOULD BE SAVING MONEY AND WE WOULD BE SAVINGG& MONEY. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE A QUESTION, MISS RUBIO, IN REGARDS TO THE POSTPONEMENTS, ARE WE LOSING MONEY ON THIS POSTPONEMENT THAT WE HAD TODAY FROM FROM NOT HANDLING THE ITEM? NO. OKAY. NO. BECAUSE THAT ONE DOESN'T NEED TO BE NOTIFIED. IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT REPLAT AND& IT'S NOT LIKE A ACTUAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TYPE SUBDIVISION. THE ONLY TIME I'D ASK YOU TO DO THAT IS IF IT WAS& A SINGLE FAMILY. LOT TYPE SUBDIVISION. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT REMINDED ME. I THINK WHO PAYS FOR THESE FEES ALSO IS DEPENDENT ON WHO OR WHY THIS IS BEING WHY MOTION OR WHY AN ITEM IS BEING CANCELED. IS THAT CORRECT? IF IT'S BEING CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE PERSON REQUESTING IT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEXT NOTIFICATION OF THE FEES. BUT I& THIS CASE, IT WAS ALL IT WAS, RIGHT? NOT MEETING QUORUM. THEN& IT'S ON US. WE'RE PAYING THE BILL ON THAT ONE. OKAY? OKAY. GOTCHA. WE'VE HAD BETTER LUCKK& WITH THIS, WITH THIS COMMISSION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE ONLY MISSED, LIKE, MAYBE A COUPLE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. LIKE MAYBE 1 OR 2 WITHINN& THE PAST YEAR. THE LAST ONE WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE CASES. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'VE ALL BEEN PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING. COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THEN TO. FOLLOW A CERTAIN SET OF PROCEDURES TOO& NOTIFY THE MEMBERS? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON THIS DATE, AND THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO NOTIFY US IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OR NOT. KIND OF KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, WE TRY TO DO THAT. WE TRY TO DO THAT WITH SOME OF THOSE CASES. I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, THAT IT'S CRITICAL. LIKEE& WHEN WE HAVE AMENDMENTS, RIGHT, WE TRY TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE S& THEY COULD SEE THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. RIGHT. BUT[00:35:05]
MAYBE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN SEND OUT ON AN EMAIL NOW THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL LOGGED ON ON THE EMAILS, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT RIGHT, WHERE THAT QUESTION ABOUT THAT CYBERSECURITY CLASS THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE. RIGHT. I'M ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY NOW ISS& ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR EMAILS, THEIR CITY EMAILS, OR ARE WEE& STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT??& IF WE IF WE'RE STILL HAVING ISSUES, THAT'S FINE. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE & WAY OF COMMUNICATING, LIKE A STANDARD EMAIL THAT WE SEND OUT AND WE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON THIS DATE, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, BECAUSE IT COSTS THE CITY SO MUCH, SO MANY DOLLARS TO DO THIS, SO MANY DEATHS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES THINGS GO FASTER. KIND OF A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW. THERE MIGHT BE MEMBERS WHO REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THE DIFFICULTIES THAT NOT HAVING A QUORUM CAUSES FOR THE FOR THE CITY. AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO SEND IT OUT EVERY TIME. BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO OFTEN, JUST A REMINDER. HEY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE HERE AT THE SAME TIME, LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING ALTERNATES. AND MAYBE WE GET TO A POINT WHERE EVERYBODY'S SHOWING UP AND WE SAY, WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T NEED ALTERNATES ANYMORE. EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF SHOWING UP TO THE TO THE MEETINGS IF THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE IT. AND IF NOT, THEN WE CAN START LOOKING FOR ALTERNATES AS AN OPTION. YEAH. AND THEN THE LIKE THE BIGGER CITIES OR I MEAN SORRY THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGER ZONING REQUESTS ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE DO THE REZONING FOR THE TODDLER AREA, IT'S A LOT OF THAT'S THAT'S AA& BIG AREA. AND IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY LIKE A BIG LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY COST MORE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH WORDING IN IT AND WE'D BE RESPONSIBLE..& THAT'S GOING TO BE CITY INITIATED. SO WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ONE. YOU'R& TALKING ABOUT TODD, THE TODD THE TODD OVER HERE. YEAH. OKAY.WHICH IS A BIG DEAL FOR THE CIT& OF HORIZON, RIGHT? FOR THE. OH YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I'M WONDERING I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE MISTAKE OF OVERBURDENING OUR STAFF WITH HAVING TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES AND, YOU KNOW, USE MORE TIME AND ENERGY. IS IT EASIER IF, AS A COMMISSION, WE ENFORCE RULES THAT WE MAKE Y'ALL DO MORE WORK? OR IS IT BETTER IF WE JUST HAVE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW ATTENDANCE RECORDS OF CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS TO FIGURE OUT? YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE AREN'T AS INTERESTED. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE MISTAKE OF DIRECTING STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, DO MORE. SO I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION. I MEAN, WE, WE I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TOO& SERVE THE COMMISSION. AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US. I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL THAT, THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT AS WELL, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION AS A, AS A, AS A RECOMMENDING BODY, YOU KNOW, AS& A TECHNICAL BODY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I CAN ONLY EXPRESS MY OPINION. EVERY EVERY BOARD MEMBER HERE, EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAS THEIR RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY WHAT THEY FEEL AND VOTE OR MAKE A MOTION. MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE IS I HATE USING A STICK UNTIL EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULES OF THE GAME ARE. SO WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCEE& IT, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE.
ENFORCING IT. THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING WE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND, THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE AND THE ONES THAT& ARE ABSENT, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING PART OF THIS COMMISSION AND SHOWING UP TO THE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW. IF EVERYBODY'S BEEN NOTIFIED, THEY UNDERSTAND THE REASON AND THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING HERE, AND THEY STILL CAN'T MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THEN THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH, YOU KNOW, USING THE STICK. WEE& WOULD WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE WOULD REQUEST FROM THE, FROM THE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU COULD TRY TO LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME IF YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO& MAKE IT REGARDLESS IF WE GO WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATES OR NOT, IT'D BE MUCH EASIER FOR US IF WE KNOW EXACTLY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUORUM OR NOT, OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO TRY TO GET A QUORUM. YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO GET THAT GET THAT MESSAGE. THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT.
THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HERE. RIGHT. SO THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT OR TELL US THAT& THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, AND THEN THEY CAN'T, AND THEN THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND. THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO AT LEAST LET US KNOW, RIGHT, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT RIGHT, EVEN IF YOU CONFIRM. BUT THEN SOMETHING CAME UP AT THE LAST MINUTE. IF YOU JUST LET US KNOW. EXACTLY. YEAH. AND IT COULD BE SOME KIND OF UNIFORM.
MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SAVE& ON A WORD DOCUMENT AND WE JUST CUT AND PASTE, SEND IT ON THE EMAIL TO EVERYBODY AND SAY, HEY, JUST MAKE SURE YOU LET US KNOW. THIS IS THE REASON WHY. YOU KNOW, AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY HERE THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO WHAT'S EASIER FOR YOU ALL TO& DO IS LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? LIKE A TEXT LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING OR LIKE AN EMAIL OR BOTH, OR I PERSONALLY PREFER A TEXT. TEXT IS BETTER BECAUSE
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TEXT THAT'S JUST TEXT. OKAY. I THINK WE TYPICALLY GET MORE A LITTLE MORE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE.RESPONSE. YEAH. FROM FROM A TEXT. OKAY. AS LONG AS THERE'S NO CONCERNS WITH LEGALITIES OF USING TEXT VERSUS EMAIL, I'M OKAY WITH IT. SO THE WAY WE DOO& IT IS THAT WE DON'T DO GROUP MESSAGES. WE DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. RIGHT. THAT'S HOW WE GET AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT BY GETTING EVERYBODY AS A GROUP. RIGHT.
OKAY. AND ESTABLISHING ONE OF THOSE WALKING QUORUMS QUORUMS. I JUST WANTED TO ASK IN WHATEVER IT IS YOU ALL DECIDE TO BRING BEFORE US NEXT MONTH, IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO INCLUDE WHETHER IT BE ATTENDANCE RECORDS OR, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT ON NOTIFICATION FEES FROM HAVING MEETINGS POSTPONED. YOU KNOW, OVER A THE SINCE 2020 OR 4 YEAR PERIOD IS TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOLLARS THE CITY HAS BEEN LOSING OUT. SURE, WE COULD DOO& THAT. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO WAY OF SENDING OUT TEXTS WITHOUT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE A WAY OFF& DOING THIS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THE PERSON SENDING OUT THE TEXT. I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED TEXTS FROM DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND THEY SAY YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO THIS TEXT ANYWAYS BECAUSE THAT'S THE& WAY IT'S SET UP, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A NOTIFICATION WE'RE NOTIFYING YOU. YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO THIS TEXT ANYWAYS. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT OR IS THAT I THINK WE WANT WE I MY OPINION IS I THINK WE WOULD WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE ABLE TOO& RESPOND BACK IN CASE THEY DO HAVE A QUESTION. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. THAT'S TRUE. THAT OR TELL YOU RIGHT THERE OR& TELL YOU RIGHT THEN AND THERE, YES OR NO. THAT IS TRUE. YEAH. THAT'S JUST ON MY END ON ON THAT ASPECT OF THAT OTHER OTHER TYPES OF INFORMATION. NO, YOU'REE& RIGHT, I AGREE. I DO AGREE THAT& OTHER THINGS WOULD, WOULD BE BEST THAT IN THAT MANNER. BUT I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE CITY HERE BECAUSE OF THE TIMES THAT WE HAVE THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, 6:00 PM IS REALLY ROUGH TO, TO TRY TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING OUT OF WORK AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COME HERE. AND THE CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T HELP. SO WITH THE TRAFFIC. YEAH. WELL, WE CAN BLAME THE MAYOR FOR THAT ONE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT HIS FAULT. BUT NO, NO. SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S JUMPING ON THAT BANDWAGON. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, SO I DON'T KNOW. ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR. NO NOT NOT ON THIS. DID YOU NEEDD& ANY TYPE OF ACTION FROM US ON THIS JUST DIRECTION OR DIRECTION? OKAY. IF YOU WANT US TO, TO DRAFT LIKE A DRAFT AMENDMENT TO THIS SO THAT WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE A MOTION ON THIS SINCE THIS ISS& JUST A DISCUSSION. SO THIS WOULD BE TO DRAFT AN AMENDMENT. IT WOULD NEED TO MAKE A MOTION. WE& DO OKAY TO LIKE PROVIDE TOO& PROVIDE FOR OUR STAFF SOMEE& DIRECTION. THE ALTERNATES FOR THE ALTERNATES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO MOTION TOO& RECOMMEND AND GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF FOR THE PROPOSED HIRING OF FOR APPOINTMENTS, APPOINTMENT OF ALTERNATE MEMBERS. PERFECT. GREAT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. LET'S PULL THE COMMISSION. CHARLIE, I. MENDEZ AVILA I SO MOVING ON TOO&
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NUMBER SIX ANNOUNCEMENTS. ITEM SIX A THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IT IS MONDAY, APRIL 21ST, 2025 AT 6 P.M. MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO ALSO MAKE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT. I KNOW WE'RE TASKING ALREADY WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT AS FAR AS BRINGING YOU INSULATED OR WHATEVER, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THE TOD AND THE CONSULTANT IS READY WITH THAT.SO WE WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS COMING MONDAY FOR THE 24TH, IF POSSIBLE. SEE IF WE COULD GET CONFIRMATION FROM YOU ALL TO COME IN FOR THAT, BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT IS& GOING TO COME IN TO PRESENT THE DRAFT, THEY FINALIZE THE DRAFT, AND WE NEED TO GET IT IN NOW SO& THAT WE CAN GET IT AND MOVED ON TO INTRODUCTION AND THEN TOO& FINAL SECOND READING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND WOULD WE BE TAKING ACTION ON THOSE ITEMS DURING THAT SPECIAL MEETING? YES, SIR.
YOU WOULD BE MAKING A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO, TO CONSULTANT TO MOVE THE OR IF YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE ALL OKAY TO ATTEND IT, IT'LL BE NEXT MONDAY. AT THE SAME TIME THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE HERE TO PRESENT IT, AND THEN WE WOULD BE SENDING YOU THE DRAFT AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN START LOOKING IT UP, YOU KNOW, LOOKING IT OVER, I'M SORRY, LOOKING IT OVER TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS. ALSO. GREAT. THIS IS MONDAY, MARCH 24TH, 6 P.M. YES, SIR.
NEXT MONDAY. OKAY. IF YOU'REE& SEEKING VERBAL CONFIRMATION, I CAN BE HERE. OKAY. I CAN BE HER&
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AS WELL. SAME AS WHAT? MR. MELENDEZ. MR. JOHN. I COULD BE HERE. ALTERNATE. ALTERNATE.WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEND YOU THE REMINDER, RIGHT? OKAY. PROBABLY TOMORROW. WE'LL POST IT TOMORROW, AND THEN THURSDAY WE'LL SEND IT AGAIN. SIR, HOW SOON WOULD YOU BE ABLE TOO& PROVIDE THAT DRAFT AGENDA FOR US? TOMORROW. WE CAN SEND ITT& OUT. OKAY. SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT FROM THE. SORRY. I MEAN, THE STAFF REPORT THE IT WOULD BE A STAFF. IT WOULD JUST BE THE, THE ACTUAL DRAFT ZONING CODE. OKAY. JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, IT'SS& NOT YOUR TYPICAL ZONING. THIS IS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIA& WITH TRANSECTS AND THAT'S CALLED IT'S FORM BASED CODE. IT'S NOT YOUR CONVENTIONAL TYPE CODE THA& WE HAVE LIKE C-1 OR WHATNOT. THESE ARE TRANSECTS LIKE T ONE I'M SORRY, T THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A T LIKE A T3, T4 AND T5 OKAY. LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR THE TRANSIT ORIENTED. YES SIR. OKAY. SAME.
SAME AS THAT IS THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS THEY DID THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
NOW THEY NEED TO CODIFY THE ZONING FOR THAT OKAY. BUT TYPICALLY THE WAY TRANSECTS WORK IS YOU HAVE LIKE THE T1 WHICH I& MORE OF THE RURAL AND IT STARTS GOING UP. AND THEN THE T5 IS WHAT THEY CALL THE CORE, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE YOUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME T4 AND T5 AND T3 IN THERE AS WELL. OKAY, OKAY. I'M HOPING& THIS WILL BE EXPLAINED TO US IN THE MEETING MORE IN DETAIL. OKAY. CONSULTANT IS PRETTY GOOD. IT'S ABLE CITY AGAIN OKAY. THE ONES THAT DID THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS OKAY. SO THEY'LL GO INTO QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL ON THAT FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HERE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. WE TRY TO& HAVE THEM HERE FOR THAT SPECIAL MEETING. AND IF YOU GUYS NEED HELP REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE, I'M HERE, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW AND I CAN TRY TO REACH OUT TO THESE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HERE MYSELF. I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT IF YOU WANT. YES, SIR. YEAH. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TOO, BECAUSE YOU ALL WANT TO KNOW THE NEW TYPE OF CODE SO THAT WHEN WE IMPLEMENT IT, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF. RIGHT. BASED ON BASED ON THOSE. YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A PRETTY BIG THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
YEAH. IT'S I THINK IT'S LIKE CLOSE TO 30 TO 40 ACRES THATT& WE'RE LOOKING AT. ALL CITY INITIATED. WE'VE ALREADY CHECKED WITH LEGAL AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S DOABLE. IT'S JUST WE NEED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF MEETINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THEMM& WHEN WE ACTUALLY COME TO YOU ALL FOR THE ACTUAL REZONING RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL DRAFTING OF THE ZONING CODE FOR THE TRANSECTS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN WE'LL GO IN AND ACTUALLY D& THE ACTUAL REZONING OF ALL THOSE PROPERTIES. EXCELLENT. IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING ONE. IT'LL BE LIKE VALENCIA TIMES TWO BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A LOT. YEAH. EXACTLY. FOR THAT, YOU SAID IT WAS TRANSECTS. TRANSECTS. YES, SIR. SO WERE YOU GUYS. WAS THE CITY THE TOWN OF HORIZON ABLE TO ACQUIRE ALL OF THAT LAND TO DO EVERYTHING? NOT ALL OF IT. BUT WE LIKE LIKE I SHOWED YOU TODAY, THEY ALREADY OWN THAT THOSE TWO BLOCKS THERE. AND THEN TOWARDS THE BACK, THEY& WANT A COUPLE MORE BLOCKS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE TRANSIT STATION IN THE NEW CITY HALL.
OKAY. THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER SMALL BLOCK AS WELL. THAT'S LIKE RODMAN AND DILLEY AND THE LAKE I THINK ARE LIKE NEXT TO IT. AND THE LAKE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. THIS ISN'T I KNOW IT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING, BUT WHA& IF THERE ARE HOLDOUTS ONCE DEVELOPMENT ALREADY GETS STARTED? AND NOW THE TOWN OF HORIZON IS IN A POSITION TOO& WHERE WORK GETS STOPPED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T LOCATE ABSENTEE OWNERS. OR I MEAN, THE CODE, THE CODE, THE STATE CODE JUST HAS US NOTIFY PER THE TAX RULES, AND THEN WE COMPLY WITH THAT SO LON& AS WE DO THAT. SO IF THEY'RE LIKE NOT RESPONDING OR NOT AVAILABLE OR WHATEVER, IT'S REALLY I MEAN, EMINENT DOMAIN.
DOES THAT KICK IN. IT'S NOT IT'& NOT REALLY EMINENT DOMAINN& BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING THEIR PROPERTY. THEY THEY STILL OWN IT. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE ZONE ON IT. BUT THAT EVENTUALLY WOULD BE PART OF THE TOD. RIGHT. WELL, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT. BUT WE WON'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BUYING THEM. NOT OH I SEE. OH OKAY. SO THE ONES THAT MR. JOLLY IS REFERRING TO, WEE& JUST WOULD BE REZONING THEM. CORRECT. BUT NOT NOT DEVELOPING& IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. DOES THATT& ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YEAH. YEAH. JUST. YEAH. YOU STILL OWN IT. IT'S JUST IT'S GOT A DIFFERENT ZONE NOW AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF LIKE SIMILAR TO THE, THE, THE, THE CODE WE HAVE NOW. I MEAN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS WILL BE MORE OF A MIX OF THAT, A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. IT'& KIND OF LIKE GLORY ROAD WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIALL& ALL MIXED TOGETHER, KIND OF LIKE
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THAT. BUT THE, THE, THE MAIN CONCEPT WITH THE TRANSECT IS THAT YOU HAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL O& THE BOTTOM AND THEN YOUR RESIDENTIAL ON TOP ON MIX, OR YOU HAVE LIKE A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, ALL KIND OF LIKE WITHIN THE SAME AREA, NOT NECESSARILY INTERTWINED WITH THE COMMERCIAL, BUT LIKE A SECTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, ALL ALL SECTION DOWN.OKAY. AND IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU LOOK UP THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE INITIAL RENDERINGS OF FOURR& STORY BUILDINGS, GROUND LEVEL SHOPS, UPPER LEVEL APARTMENT UNITS, OFFICE SPACES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I REMEMBER SEEING SEEN THAT A WHILE BACK. YEAH, DEFINITELY INTERESTING. AND THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE CITY CAN USE. I MEAN, IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF LEGAL ISSUES IS THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY CALLED FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, ASS& FAR AS HAVING THAT IN THERE, THE MIXED USES AND ALL THAT, AND ACTUALLY A TV AREA IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH IN THAT, IN THAT PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO CONFIRM YOUR HEIGHT YES I'LL BE HERE. CONFIRMED. YEAH. THANK YOU. I ALWAYS CRITICAL AND SORRY THAT WE DIDN'T GET IT EARLIER, BUT WE GOT OUR DATES ALL MIXED UP WITH WHEN THE CONSULTANT WAS READY WITH HIS DRAFT. BUT THEY'RE READY NOW, SO. OKAY. IT'S OUR IT'S OUR OUR MISTAKE OR MY MISTAKE? I SHOULD SAY NOTHING. THAT PIZZA CAN'T FIX AT THE MOMENT. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY PETER PIPER..& BETTER. JUST KIDDING. JUST KIDDING. YES, SIR. NEXT ITEM WITH THE MONEY WE SAVED FROM NOT HAVING TO RESCHEDULE. RIGHT..& THERE YOU GO. I LIKE THAT IT'S A PARTY. AND ACTUALLY, THAT'SS& SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. I NEED THE MAYOR'S OUT OF TOWN, BUT I'M GOING TOO& GIVE THEM A CALL AND SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IT'S LIKE, PROVIDE SOME, SOME, SOME DINNER FOR YOU ALL. YEAH. YEAH, DEFINITELY. I'M NEVER GOING TO SAY NO TO PIZZA. I JUST START THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. YEAH, BRING IT IN.
CATTLEMAN'S, I DON'T KNOW. OH, MAN, YOU BEAT ME TO IT. I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT'S THE BUDGET LIMIT? RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT $4,600. THAT'S. WE CAN GO OUT OF TOWN. YEAH, WE'RE THINKING MORE OF THE PIZZA OR. RIGHT. WE JUST JUMPP& STRAIGHT TO CATTLEMAN'S. WHY NOT? RIGHT. YES. YEAH. SO WHERE'S IT GONNA HAPPEN? RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. YES, SIR. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. SORRY. THE LAST ITEM, IT WAS SIX A THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING MONDAY FOR 21ST AND 25 AT 6 P.M. OKAY. THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS. THEN WE& HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND. I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.