[1. CALL MEETING TO ORDER & DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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          ALL RIGHT. 6:00. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUORUM. DO WE HAVE ANY ABSENCES? YES, SIR. WE DO. AT THE MOMENT, IT WILL BE BARRY AND SAMANTHA. OKAY. AND. BARRY SAID HE COULDN'T MAKE IT UNTIL THE QUARTER. BUT AT THE MOMENT, THEY'RE NOT HERE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO EXCUSED ABSENT MEMBERS. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO WE CAN MOVE TO. HOLD UP COUNCIL. OKAY, JOLLY, I MELENDEZ. RODRIGUEZ, I AVILA I AND BORRELLO I. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START OFF BY. CAN YOU JUST PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND T& THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. I'M GUILTY OF THAT. FROM MY MICROPHONE. SO JUST FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. THERE WE GO. YES, SIR. SO ON NUMBER THREE, OPEN FORUM. NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. OKAY. S& 
          [4. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
WE CAN PROCEED TO NUMBER FOURR& PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO ON ITEM FOU& EIGHT DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION AND THE RESUBMITTED REPLAT APPLICATION FOR HORIZON MANOR UNIT THREE REPLAT A CASE NUMBER RP 002460 2020, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF LOT 19, BLOCK NINE, HORIZON MANOR, UNIT THREE, TOWN OF RICE AND CITY OF EL PASO COUNTY, TEXAS, CONTAINING 7.9365 ACRES PLUS MINUS. APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY CADD CONSULTING. POSTPONED ON JANUARY 20TH, 2025. 
          GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. RUBIO, CHIEF PLANNER, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          YES, SIR. SO WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. LEGAL IS STILL DRAFTING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER TO SO THAT WE COULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE WE NEEDED THIS BOND. SO THAT'S STILL ONGOING..& WE'RE ALMOST THERE. WE REQUESTING TO POSTPONE? YES, SIR. WE WOULD REQUEST ONE MORE POSTPONEMENT TO THE NEXT MEETING. MEETING? THIS IS THE SAME ONE THAT GOT POSTPONED FROM DECEMBER, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. CORRECT? YES, SIR. WE DIDN'TT& HAVE A MEETING ON JANUARY, I THINK. RIGHT. TYPICALLY, JUST T& LET YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S POSTPONED. IF YOU ALL ARE HERE AND YOU POSTPONE IT, IT'LL SAY POSTPONED BY THE PNC ON THE DATE. IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING. AT THAT TIME. SO WE. IT WAS JUST POSTPONED. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO& POSTPONE IT BY BY LAW. BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE 30 DAY, WHAT YOU CALL IT A POSTPONEMENT THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET'S PULL THE BOARD. JOLLY. HI. MELENDEZ. HI. 
          RODRIGUEZ. HI. AVILA. HI. HI. HI. OKAY. SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO ITEM FOUR. B DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION. UNDER RESUBMITTED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT APPLICATIONS FOR DESERT UNIT THREE. CASE NUMBER AS YOU SEE, 25 0001. AND TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE RECORDING PLAT, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF SECTION 32, BLOCK 78, TOWNSHIP THREE, TEXAS AND PACIFIC RAILROAD COMPANY SERVICE TOWN OF HORIZON CITY, EL PASOO& COUNTY, TEXAS, CONTAINING 13.272 ACRES. APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE H2O TERRA. CHERRY RUBIO FOR THE RECORD. SO THIS ITEM IS A RESUBMITTAL. YOU'VE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE. IT WAS APPROVED ALREADY BY COUNCIL. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PLAT EXPIRED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COMPLETE THE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE REQUIRED TIMELINE. SO COMING BACK AS 
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REQUIRED BY BY THE CODE. SO LET ME GO OVER IT REALLY QUICK. SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF HORIZON BOULEVARD AND EAST OF DRIFTING COURT. AND HORIZON HIGH SCHOOL IS JUST RIGHT NEXT TOO& HORIZON HIGH SCHOOL. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A 65 LOT OR 65 RESIDENTIAL LOTS. SUBDIVISION. 
          AND IT ALSO HAS A 1.44 ACRE PUBLIC PONDING AREA AS PROPOSED. ACCESS WILL BE OFF A RIFT INN& COURT AND UNDER PONT STREET TOO& HORIZON BOULEVARD. AS FAR AS PARKLAND FEES, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DEDICATE ANY PARKLAND, PER THE CODE. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY $26,000 IN PARK& FEES. HOWEVER, FOR THE 65 UNITS AT $400 A UNIT. ON THE LEFT IS THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE LEFT IS HORIZON HIGH SCHOOL AND& THEN TO THE RIGHT IT'S ACTUALLY THE COUNTY, IT'S ETJ. AND THEN TO THE NORTH, SMALL PORTION IS HORIZON AND THE REST IS ALSO. 
          HORIZON CITY'S ETJ. TO THE RIGHT IS THE ZONING MAP. THE PROPERTY& IS CURRENTLY ZONED R2. IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE DID THE REZONING ONN& THIS ONE. IT WAS REZONE TO R2. AND THEN ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN THE AREA ARE R2 T& THE SOUTH. THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL WITH MIXED R2. AGAIN& THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AGAIN IS BETWEEN RIFTON AND POND AND THEN NORTH OF HORIZON BOULEVARD. THI& IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN THE LIGHT BLUE IS THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAYS THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND THEN THE DARK BLUE IS THE POND, THE 1.44 ACRE POND THAT'S PROPOSED. THAT'LL BE PUBLIC. THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE ON. ON TOP IS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAYS. THERE'S I'M SORRY. THE FIRST ONE IS THE 52 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING INTERNALLY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. TO THE RIGHT IS A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WHICH IS EXISTING. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IS ANDREW POND STREET. IT'S A 8& FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT CUT OFF LIKE THAT. THERE WERE NO ADVERSE COMMENTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME PENDING COMMENTS, VERY MINOR FROM 911. THEY JUST NEEDED SOME REVISIONS ON THE ADDRESSING. BUT H2O WAS WORKING ON THOSE. WITHH& THAT, IT STILL MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION ON A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL BASIS. WITH THAT, MISTER, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. IS THAT THE SAME SUBDIVISION THAT WAS REJECTED BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING THE LOTS TOO SMALL? IS THAT R2? IS THAT THE SMALLER LOTS? THAT WAS THE R3. IT WASN'T THE SUBDIVISION. IT WAS INITIALLY THE ZONING THAT THAT YOU ALL SAW. AND THEN YOU ALL PREFERRED TO HAVE AN R2 RATHER THAN THE R& THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GOT RESOLVED TO R3. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, R2, NOT THE R3, BUT THE ONES BEHIND IT ARE R3. THE ONES BEHIND IT SHOULD BE R2, I BELIEVE. THEY'RE BIGGER. YEAH. 
          CAN WE PULL UP THE PLAT MAP AGAIN? SO THAT'S WHY WE REJECTED. WELL, IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY REJECTED. REJECTED BECAUSE THEY WERE R2'S. AND THEY'RE SMALL LOTS INSTEAD OF. 
          NO, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU REJECTED R3 BECAUSE IT WAS TOO SMALL, SO WE SUBDIVIDED. AT& THE TIME, I HAD COME IN WITH A 75 LOT SUBDIVISION. RIGHT. SO THEN YOU GUYS REJECTED IT AND WE CHANGED IT TO R2, AND NOW IT'S THE 63 OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO THE LOT SIZES ARE THE SAME. THEY'RE BIGGER LOTS. WE DIDN'T GO WITH THE SMALL LOTS. SO IT IS CONFORMING WITH R2. YEAH. WHICH IS WHAT'S AROUND IT. YEAH. IT I& NOW 65 LOTS. THE ONE. BUT BUT IT WASN'T THE SUBDIVISION. IT WASN'T THE SUBDIVISION THAT YOU REJECTED. IT WAS THE ZONING. IT& WAS THE CERTIFIED THAT CAME BAC& AND THEY DID THE, THE WELL, ITT& WAS THE ZONING BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION WAS THE SMALL LOTS. 
          AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ABOVE THEM BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE MAKING YOU'RE MAKING SMALLER LOTS. YEAH. SO THAT IT IS R2 RIGHT NOW. AND THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE R2 STANDARDS FOR THE SIZES OF THE. BUT THE ONES, THE ONES ABOVE, THE ONES BEHIND THEM IS ARE TWOS. THE ONES BEHIND THEM I BELIEVE THEY ARE R2 ALL THIS AREA SHOULD BEE& R2. IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE. SURE. SEE, THOSE ARE SMALLER LOTS THAN THE ONES BEHIND THEM. YOU CAN SEE THE WIDTHS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUY& HAVE BETTER EYES RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU ZOOM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ZOOM IN, BUT YOU CAN TELL RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT AWAY. 
          IT'S THE SAME LOT SIZE. NO THEY'RE NOT. IT'S A LITTLE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFFSET. I THINK THEY'RE 66. YEAH, BUT THE DEPTHS ARE BIGGER. YEAH. I WAS GONNA SAY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MIGHT BE 
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THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SAME. IT MATCHES THE ZONING. I'M SORRY TO INTERJECT HERE REAL QUICK,,& MR. RODRIGUEZ. DID YOU SAY THAT& YOU BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US, OR IS THIS. SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THIS, AND I'M ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON THIS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY. THAT'S THE REASON. THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING. YEAH. SAY NO MORE. THAT'& EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING. OKAY. SO YOU DID BRING IT BEFORE US. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT POINT. SO TO BRING SOME HISTORY INTO THIS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WHEN WE FIRST CAME IN, WE CAME IN WITH R3 PROPOSED ZONING, WHICH IS SMALLER LOTS YOU CAN GO WITH 5500. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHEN WE HAD 5500, I KEPT WIDTHS& THAT WERE AT 48FT, BUT THE DEPTHS WERE AT 110, WHICH IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS. WE WENT WITH R2 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS COUNCIL. SO THEN TO MATCH WHAT WAS BEHIND IT. SO WHILE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER IN WIDTH, THEY'RE LONGE& IN DEPTH THAN THE ONES NEXT TO IT, AND WE MEET THE 6000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THATT& THE LOTS HAVE AND THE R3, THE MINIMUM IS 45 FOOT. THEY HAVE 5& FOOT. YEAH. YOU COULD TELL IT WAS OKAY. THEIR BIGGER THEIR BIGGER LOTS. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SAME. CORRECT. OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN THE NEW SUBDIVISION? 6000 IS THE MINIMUM. THE AVERAGE PROBABLYY& ABOUT 6500. AND THEN THE AVERAGE IN UNIT ONE 6000 AS WELL, BECAUSE MY COMPANY DESIGNED IT AS WELL. RIGHT. OKAY. THE R3 IS 5000. THE REASON THE LOTS ARE WIDER ON THE UNIT ONE IS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DUPLEXES IN SOME OF THOSE SECTIONS. THE ONE& BEHIND IT. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU COULD TELL BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 65 VERSUS A 70. WHATT& WAS IT 70, 76, 76 THAT THEY BROUGHT IN BEFORE. OKAY. SO THEY REDUCED THE LOTS. DOES THATT& SATISFY YOUR QUESTION, MR. MELENDEZ? WHERE WHERE DOES ITT& SHOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? I'M NOT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT. BUT IN THIS PLOT, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT TO THIS. IT DOE& IT STRAIGHT ABOVE THE ADDRESSES. RIGHT. EACH LOT WILL SHOW. IT'S. 
          YEAH. THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, IF YOU COULD LEAVE IT LIKE THAT FOR A SECOND. LET'S JUST DO THE NUMBERS. DO THE MATH HERE. 61.7FT BY EYES ARE BAD. I CAN'T TELL THAT, CAN YOU MAGNIFY THAT 117 .75. YEAH. CAN YOU TRY THAT? THIS LOOKS TAKE 15. YEAH, I'M LEAVING IT ON MY AGE. I'LLL& FIGURE IT OUT. THERE WE GO. OH, YEAH. THERE YOU GO. OH, OKAY. 6000. 6000? YEAH. AND THEN THE BIGGER ONES SAY 6000 AS WELL..& YES. 6450. THE ONES IN THE ONES BEHIND IT. 
          YEAH. GO FOR IT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T SHOW THE DOESN'T SHOW THEIR SIZE. TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, MR. RUBIO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED. THE ZONING SPECIFIES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO THE ONES THA& ARE BEHIND ARE ZONED. REMIND ME AGAIN, R2, AND THIS ONE THAT WE'RE DEBATING RIGHT NOW IS R22& AS WELL. R2 AS WELL. SO THEN BY DEFINITION THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE. CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. 
          WE HAD ANOTHER QUESTION OVER HERE. YEAH. I AM GOING TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THE ORIGINAL QUESTION. THE COVENANTS HERE DON'T HAVE WHEN WE'RE LIKE WHEN THE PROPOSAL COMES. SO IT'S ALMOST DO SQUARE FEET. WHAT ARE THE COVENANT. DO WE GET THE BUILDER COVENANT AS WELL ALREADY OR IT'S JUST THE LOT SIZE. SO AS FAR AS COVENANTS, THE CITY TYPICALLY IS NOT A PART OF COVENANTS. THEY'RE PRIVATE. AND IT REALLY IT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPER. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. YEAH. 
          OKAY. SOMETIMES IT JUST CHANGES FROM WHEN THEY WERE LIKE, I'M GOING TO GO TO THERE PIGGYBACK ON THEIR COMMENT BECAUSE IT DOE& GO FROM A WIDER VARIANCE WHERE A TWO CAR AUTO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EASIER THING TO PLOT FOR A BUILDER. AND THEN HERE IT MIGHT LIMIT SOME OF THE, THE ESTHETICS. SO IT MIGHT IN THATT& SENSE I DO SEE MAYBE WHERE THEY'RE GOING. AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THOSE AREAS AS A CONSUMER OR JUST SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY SEEING& THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS A BIG PLUS BECAUSE THEY CREATED THE PRIVACY SPACE FROM ONE NEIGHBOR TO THE NEXT. AND HERE IT'S BRINGING BACK THAT PRIVACY, JUST, YOU KNOW, LESS. NORMALLY YOU'D HAVE LIKE UP HERE YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE THAT FOLLOW THE WIDTH AND THEY'RE 8 TO 12FT 
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DISTANCE, EVEN JUST FROM THE FROM THE REMEDIAL WALL. I MEAN AS LONG AS THEY'RE BUT AGAIN THAT'S. YEAH. IF IT'S, IF IT'S, THAT'S DESIGNED LATER. THAT'S DESIGNED LATER. I JUST HAD THE QUESTION. YEAH. SO FOR THE R2 IF IT JUST I'M SORRY TO JUST CALL THIS MEETING REAL QUICK TOO& ORDER. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE RESERVE OUR COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ALL HEAR IT THOUGH. SO BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECORD THEM RIGHT. THEY NEED TO BE RECORDED. SO I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE NO NO NO WORRIES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT STEPPING ALL OVER EACH OTHER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO IF THIS EVER NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHO'S TALKING AND WHAT QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED. JUST SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER, BECAUSE IT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A VIOLATION TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. CORRECT? WEE& HAVE SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS LIKEE& THAT. YOU GOT TO HAVE IT ON OPEN, OPEN FORUM. YEAH. SO II& MEAN, IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL ADDRESS THEM CALCULATING THE CALCULATING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT WE WERE DOING. OKAY. YEAH. SO DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTIONN& SIR? I'M SORRY. GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY, I THINK WE COVERED IT. YEAH. CAN OVERLAP REAL QUICK JUST TO BRING THEM IN. IN CASE I DIDN'T SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH. BUT I WAS GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT WHERE LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, BECAUSE THE BIG PLUS BEFORE ON THE COVENANTS OF THOSE PREVIOUS ONES, THEY GIVE US THE SPACE FROM ONE NEIGHBOR TO THE NEXT THIS WAY. AND NOW IT'S BRINGING IT BACK. AND THERE'S A LET'S SAY A BUILDER COMES IN. IT DOES CREATE A ONE CAR GARAGE SCENARI& OR ONE AND A HALF WHERE NOW YOU'RE HOUSEHOLDS WITH TWO CARS. 
          YEAH. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING JUST ON AN ESTHETIC. BUT I LEARNED NOW THAT THAT COMES LATER. BUT BRINGING THEM NARROWER IS THAT THAT'S THE ONL& THING. BUT IT IS A BIG PLUS. 
          THEY GET BIG BACKYARDS. SO AND I THINK THERE'S NO BACK NEIGHBORS ON HALF OF THOSE. IF I MAY SAY A COMMENT. THESE ARE REQUESTED DIRECTLY BY THE BUILDERS. SO THE LOT SIZES ACTUALLY DO COME FROM& THE BUILDERS BUILDERS. THE REQUEST FOR THE LOT SIZES, ASS& FAR AS THE CODE GOES, SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE MINIMUMS AND THEY DO, YOU KNOW THEY ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. SO THE LOTS BEHIND THEM ARE IN THE 6500 RANGE. WHEN DID THE R2 CHANGE FROM 65 TO 6000? I'M NOT AWARE OF IT BEING 65. I THOUGHT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 6000FT■!S. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE. SOME OF THEM CAN BE LARGER, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M AVERAGE OR EVEN ABOVE AVERAGE. THE LOTS BEHIND THEM ARE 6500 OR ABOVE. AND THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE HERE AS WELL AS NOT ALL THE LOTS ARE THE SAME. RIGHT. THERE'S SOME LARGE& ONES AS WELL. THERE'S SOME THE CORNERS. BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW,,& THERE'S WHEN DESERT BREEZE ONE WAS MADE, THAT WAS THE STYLE OF HOUSE THAT WAS SELLING BY THE BUILDER. SO THE BUILDER DOES REQUEST THE LOT SIZES. HE'S RIGHT HERE. THE LOT SIZES THATT& ARE PRESENT NOW IS WHAT THE BUILDER IS REQUESTING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE MARKET FOR SALE, WHICH IS STILL IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING. RIGHT. AND LIKE I SAID, THEY VARY AND SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER, LIKE THESE ONES RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THEY ARE PRETTY BIG& SO ARE THE ONES THE ONES ON THE, ON THE, IN THE SUBDIVISION BEHIND THAT. THE CORNERS ARE HUGE COMPARED TO THOSE. RIGHT. 
          AND WE CAN'T LIMIT WE CANNOT LIMIT THE, THE DEVELOPER AS FAR AS LIKE MAKING ALL THE LOTS THAT BIG. IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM. SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE MINIMUMS AND THEY DO HERE. YEAH. SO THEY& HAVE A VARIETY. AND LIKE MR. RODRIGUEZ IS SAYING IS BASED ON DEMAND. BUT FOR US, AS LONG ASS& IT MEETS THE MINIMUM AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MINIMUM 6000FT. AND NOW THAT YOU ZOOMED IN LIKE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S SO MANY LIKE THERE'S ONLY THE MIDDLE ARE THE 50 WIDE. 
          BUT THEN THEY GO 57, 65 AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THE PREMIUM ONES BECAUSE THOSE ARE HUGE. YOU GOT ALMOST ONE. THAT'S 9767. OH& YEAH. REAL QUICK, RAY, YOUR OPINION ON BEING IN THE INDUSTRY, DO YOU THINK THESE ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRING ONE CAR O& ONE AND A HALF CAR, LIKE YOU SAID? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLYY& THING THAT I COULD FORESEE AN ISSUE WITH LIKE APPRAISED VALUES IN THE AREA IS IF THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ONE SINGLE CAR GARAGES. YEAH. WELL, EVERYBODY'S GOT IN REALLY CREATIVE TO GO BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE BRINGINGG& TO THE TABLE VERSUS IT'S VERY RARE THAT I SEE SOMEONE CREATE IT FOR THE BUILDERS. AND HERE I'VE ONLY SEEN THAT WHEN I WORKED IN LAS CRUCES WHERE LITERALLY YOU GAVE THEM AND THE& THEY CUT IT OUT TO YOUR ESTATE. 
          AND THIS IS THE WAY IT WOULD LOOK. YOU WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF THIS BECAUSE WE GOT TO MAKE ROOM FOR THOSE THAT SQUEEZE IN FAMILY AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST BE PUSHING THEM AWAY. AND THEN THEY GOT WE GO BACK TO THE NORM LIKE THAT. 5760 I THINK JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE I WAS ZOOMING IN AT THE, IN THE MIDDLE. BUT NOW IF YOU LOOK AROUND, I THINK THAT'S ONLY LIKE 35% IN THE MIDDLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE HOLDS THE BIGGER VALUE. I DON'T THINK 
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IT'S GOING TO NARROW DOWN TO GO DOWN TO THE TO THE DIVISION, THE SUBDIVISION BEHIND RIGHT THERE, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE ON THE CORNERS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF I, IF YOU LOOK LIKE I& YOU'RE IF WE'RE JUST MATCHING UP LIKE THE, THE CHANGE OF LOT SIZE. OH YEAH. IT'S OBVIOUS I MEAN THERE'S NO BUT AGAIN IF I LOOK AT A 57 AND I'M STILL WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT, 4047 WIDE. YOU KNOW I THINK THE NARROWEST IS GOING TO BE THOSE THAT ARE THE 49, THE 41 WIDE. I CHALLENGE THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S GETTING REAL CREATIVE. BUT THE TWO CAR GARAGES IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE SEEING IN YOUR COVENANTS JUST BECAUSE. BUT I MEAN WHO'S YOUR WHO'S YOUR DRAW. LIKE LET'S SAY YOU SAY LIKE BUILDERS LOOK FOR THAT LIKE YOU YOU SEE THE ON THE SMALLER ONE.& SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON, YOU CAN PUT A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THAT TWO CAR GARAGE IS ONLY 20FT. SO YOU PUT THE LIVING ROOM WITH AN ENTRANCE AND A 20 FOOT GARAGE THAT'S 40FT. YOU HAVE ROOM TO PUT A TWO CAR GARAGE, EVEN ON THE SMALLEST LOT, BUT PEYTON ESTATES UNIT FOUR HAS A 4500 SQUARE FOOT LOT. AND THIS IS RIGHT THERE ON HORIZON AND ROJAS. AND YEAH, IT'S THE STREET HERE. ROJAS AND THE PEYTON. SO ROJAS AND PEYTON& IS THOSE LOTS ARE AT 4700FT■!S.& AND IF YOU WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU CAN FIT IN SOMETHING THAT'S SMALLER THAN THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 700FT■!S TO 6000FT■!S, THAT'S AE REDUCTION. AND THEY WERE STILL ABLE TO FIT HOUSES THAT SOLD AND ARE ESTHETIC AND HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES INTO ALL THOSE LOTS, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME DEPTH AS THIS, JUST 13FT NARROWER. AND THESE ARE AT 51FT AND 100. SO IT'S STILL MEETS THE MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCE TO THE ZONING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO. WE WENT WITH THE R3. IT WAS DENIED. WE WENT BACK& WITH R2. AND WE'RE GIVING WITHH& THE COUNCIL ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO BAC& WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY. 
          ORIGINALLY IT WAS PROPOSED WITH SMALLER LOTS. IT WAS. AND HE BROUGHT IT UP AND HUNT DECIDED TO NOT TRY TO FIGHT IT OR TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GO AGAINST IT. THEY SAID, NO, THAT'S FINE. IF IT'S HARD TO, LET'S LEAVE IT. R2, WHAT WE REASONED IT TOO& WASN'T R2, IT WAS ORIGINALLY R2. 
          AND THEN HUNT ACTUALLY REZONED IT TO APARTMENTS AND IT GOT APPROVED. AND THIS WAS DONE LIK& IN 2011. IT GOT REZONE TOO& APARTMENTS IN 2011. AND THE ISSUE WAS THAT WHEN WE CAME IN ORIGINALLY WITH THE R3, I WAS ASKING TO GO FROM R2 TO R3, BUT IT WAS NEVER ZONED R2. AT THE TIME IT WAS ZONED APARTMENTS. THERE WAS A MISTAKE ON THE IT WAS IT WAS ON THE MAP, THE ZONING MAP. THAT HORIZON HAD HAD IT WRONG. SO THEN WHEN I CAME IN, I SAID, WELL, HOW AM I GOING FROM R2 TO R3 IF IT WAS NEVER R2? SO THEN AFTER THE FACT WE STILL REZONED IT, BUT IT WENT FROM APARTMENTS TO R2, WHICH IS WHAT IS SURROUNDING. IT'S THE SURROUNDING AREA. TO COMPLY WIT& THE COMMENTS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROVIDED BY BY COUNCIL. IT'S AN OLDER MAP. YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          THERE. IT IS. IT. IT DOESN'T SHOW IT AS APARTMENTS. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY APARTMENTS INITIALLY. SO IT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE MAP. SO AGAIN, I'M JUSTT& HERE TO PROVIDE A HISTORY ON IT. 
          I'M NOT VOTING ON THIS. I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THIS. THAT'S WHY I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT IT AND THAT'S WHY I'M DISCUSSING IT. TYPICALLY I'D BE THERE, BUT I HAVE TO BE HERE FOR QUORUM. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT AT HERE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE ZONING. WE'RE STILL WITHIN CONFORMANCE OF IT. AND THIS IS WHAT THE MARK, WHAT& THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE MARKET. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDERSS& ARE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS WHAT HUNT IS DEVELOPING. AND LIKE YO& SAID, THERE'S STILL VARIANTS. I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE THE 57 FOOTERS, YOU HAVE 60 FOOTERS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE LOT IS GOING TO BE 50FT AND YOU GET THE SPACE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WIN. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WHEN I SEE WHEN YOU'RE STILL DOING 6000FT■!S LOTS AGAIN, WE'E GETTING IT IN IN THE BACK. CREATES A LOT OF LIKE I SAID, IT CAN GET CREATIVE NOW. WE CAN PUSH BACK MORE VERSUS ON THOSE 4500 OR 5000 SQUARE FOOT. THAT'S YOUR YEAH. YOUR LEAVE YOU IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW. BUT I MEAN GOOD SIZED LOTS. I WAS JUST ASKING ON THIS SPACE, BUT WE DID IT LAST TIME. WE DID IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FAIR. IT'S NOT FAIR T& THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK FOR A REZONING TO WHERE THEIR SMALLER LOTS, WHICH ACTUALLY HURTS THEIR. VALUE. RIGHT. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T GO FROM R3. SO ORIGINALLY THE, THE VERY FIRST SUBMITTAL WAS R3, RIGHT? AND AT& THE TIME IT WAS DENIED, IT WAS DENIED R3 AND WE HAD TO COME 
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BACK. AND EITHER I THINK I DON'T EVEN THINK WE TRIED TO EVER GO BACK AT R3. WE TOOK THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THIS BOARD AND I TOOK IT TO HUNT AND I TOL& THEM, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TOO& GET THIS APPROVED UNLESS WE GOO& WITH WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S THERE. UP THERE IS R2, WHICH IS MINIMUM 6000. NOW THE TWO TO HIS POINT, THEY DO HAVE 6600. I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THAT THE LOTS UP TOP ARE BIGGER, RIGHT. HOWEVER THE MINIMUM IS 6000. RIGHT. SO JUST TO REMIND YOU, ALL THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED. THEY'RE JUST RESUBMITTING IT BECAUSE IT IT EXPIRED. OKAY. SO& THIS WAS ALREADY SEEN BY YOU ALL AND IT WAS APPROVED ALREADY. IT'S JUST A RESUBMIT THE SAME THING. HE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. IT'S THE SAME APPROVE& BY WHO? BY US BY EVERYBODY. AND COUNCIL RECOMMENDED BY YOU ALL AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL. OKAY, ONE MORE THING. JUST TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT ITT& HAD EXPIRED, CORRECT? DUE TOO& WHAT REASON? SO AFTER THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, RIGHT. AT COUNCIL, THEY HAVE A YEAR TOO& MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN RECORD. SO THEY HAVE A YEAR TO RECORD. IF THEY CAN'T MEET THAT YEAR, THEY CAN DO A ONE YEAR EXTENSION, WHICH YOU ALL DID, RIGHT. THEY DID A SIX MONTH EXTENSION. AND THEN AFTER THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION, IF YOU DON'T GET THEM DONE, IF YOU DON'T GET IT RECORDED, THEN ITT& EXPIRES AND YOU HAVE TO STARTT& ALL OVER AGAIN. OKAY. BUT THEY'VE SATISFIED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY WANT TO START CONSTRUCTION TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. THAT WAS THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THEY DIDN'T MEET IT. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. 
          SO RESUBMITTING IT OKAY. AFTER YOU ALL'S APPROVAL THEN THEY HAVE APPROVAL TO DO THEIR THEIR PRE-FINAL GRADING AND THEY START I SEE OKAY. AND TECHNICALITY. BUT ON THE PRESENTATION IT SAYS ADDRESS LOCATION NORTH OF HORIZON AND EAST OF RIFT COURT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES AN ISSUE WITH THE LEGALITIES INSTEAD OF RIFTING. OH IT'S MISSPELLED. YEAH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. IT SHOULD HAVE SAID RIFT RIFTING. RIGHT. OKAY. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THATT& IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LEGAL ISSUE OR NOT. YEAH. RIFTT& IN COURT IN HORIZON. ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION WONDERING WAS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR THAT DELAY? YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION AND THEN WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET REQUIREMENTS BY THEN. WAS THERE ANY HUNT? JUST GOT BACKED UP WITH CONSTRUCTION AND THEY JUST GOT TO THIS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, CITY OF EL PASO IN THE COUNTY OF EL PASO GIVE YOU THREE YEARS. THIS IS THE MOST THIS IS THE STRICTEST, RIGHT. COMPLIANCE. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT TO GIVE THEM AT LEAST ATT& LEAST TWO YEARS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS BRING IN THAT'S LARGER THAN THIS 18 MONTHS IS GOING TO BE TIGHT TO FINISH THE CONSTRUCTION ON IT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET. BUT IF YOU ONLY GET IF YOU ONLY GET ONE SIX MONTH EXTENSION AND YOU HAVE 18 MONTHS TO FINISH THE SUBDIVISION, THAT& IS LET'S SAY 300 LOTS, WHICH IS& THE ONE THAT WE SAW LAST WEEK OR LAST TWO MONTHS AGO. THAT'S WHEN THE CEA BROUGHT IN. SO 300 LOTS TO FINISH IN 18 MONTHS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK HUNT'S GOING TOO& FINISH THAT ON TIME. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE EXACTLY WHERE I'M AT WITH THEM. HOWEVER THAT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY BECAUSE YOU SEE WITH MINE THEY DIDN'T EVEN START CONSTRUCTION. SO TECHNICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO THEY HAVEN'T PULLED THE PERMIT YET. THEY HAD WE GOT EVERYTHING APPROVED. PLAT WAS APPROVED, ENGINEERING DRAWINGS WERE APPROVED. EVERY EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT NEEDED TO APPROVE IT APPROVED IT. BUT THIS WAS IN 2023. AND THEN HUNTT& DIDN'T BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON IT BECAUSE THEY WERE BEHIND ON OTHER SUBDIVISIONS. NOW THAT THEY'RE READY TO START CONSTRUCTION, I EXPLAINED TO THEM, HEY, THIS EXPIRED, I NEED TO RESUBMIT IN ORDER FOR US TOO& GET, YOU KNOW, LEGAL. AND THISS& IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. NOTHING'S CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND JUST TO BRING IT OUT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. 18 MONTHS TO FINISH THE 300 LOT SUBDIVISION. THAT'LL BE INTERESTING. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, THOUGH. YES, SIR. WE'RE WORKING ON SOME AMENDMENTS. OKAY. AND WE ALSOO& MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY CAN GO FURTHER ON THE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE PNC APPROVES THE PRELIMINARY. YEAH, THEY CAN START THE GRADING AND, AND GO ABOVE AND THEN JUST KEEP GOING. 
          OKAY. WE'RE ADDING ONE MOREE& MONTH TO THE DEADLINE. WELL, I THINK IF YOU HAD MORE THAN ONE ELIGIBLE SIX MONTH EXTENSION,,& YOU'D BE OKAY. WHICH IS THE COUNTY DOES THE COUNTY WILL GIVE YOU THREE YEARS AND THEN YOU CAN DO UP TO THREE SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE T& NECESSARILY CHANGE IT. YOU NEED& TO HAVE IT RECORDED IN A YEAR. YOU MIGHT JUST WANT TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF EXTENSIONS THAT YOU GIVE UP. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S EXPLORING IT. WE'RE THINKING LIKE SIMILAR TO LIKE MAYBE THE CITY OF EL PASO AND THEN DO THAT WITH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL EXTENSION SO THEY'D HAVE ENOUGH TIME THAT FOLLOWS THAT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TIME. BUT WHATT& WE'RE DOING NOW IS, LIKE I SAID AFTER THE PRELIMINARY, WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO START THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH, SO THAT THEY CAN CATCH IT UP. OKAY. COULD YOU PULL UP THE PRELIMINARY MAP BECAUSE THE BEFORE YOU SAID I'M SORRY BECAUSE THE CODE ISN'T CLEAR AS TO SAY, ALL IT SAYS IS YOU HAVE A YEAR TO RECORD IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE 
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SAYING AFTER THE LIMINARY IS APPROVED, WE'RE LETTING THEM START, WHICH WAS THAT'S WHAT WE& DID FOR US SO THEY CAN GET START TO GET IT RECORDED. THE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE INN& PLACE. CORRECT. THEY NEED TO BE IN PLACE BECAUSE. BECAUSE HOW IS THIS HOW IS THE TOWN OF HORIZON GOING TO ACCEPT IMPROVEMENTSS& THAT AREN'T COMPLETE? RIGHT. RIGHT. SO YEAH, OR YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN DO THE EARLY RECORDING. NO, IT'S THE LETTER OF CREDIT OR STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S YOU EARLY RECORD. WE LET YOU RECORD WITHOUT FINISHING THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN YOU SUBMIT A BOND FOR THOSE OKAY. SO THEYY& CAN FINISH WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION OKAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT IT ON YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU REQUESTING THEM. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT MAKING SOME SOME CHANGES TO THE CODE BASED ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THATT& THERE IS ISSUES WITH THAT. OKAY. 
          MR. YOU GOT A QUESTION. COULD YOU PULL UP THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FORM? SURE. AND I JUST WANTED T& CLARIFY, IS THERE GOING TO BEE& ANY DISPARITIES IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES SINCE THESE LOTS TECHNICALLY THEY'RE MORE OR LESS THE SAME. THEY MEET ALL THE MINIMUMS, BUT THESE LOTS ARE SHORTER IN WIDTH VERSUS SOME OF& THE LOTS BEHIND THAT ARE LONGER& AND WIDTH. DOES THAT AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES OR IS IT GOING TO BE MORE OR LESS THE SAME? WHAT'S WHAT SELLS BETTER IN THE MARKET? LOTS THAT ARE WIDER OR LOTS THAT ARE MORE NARROW. SO I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT DOES THAT. THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. AND BUT I THINK THEY TYPICALLY BASE IT ON OUR, ON OUR ZONES THAT WE PLACE ON THE PROPERTIES SIMILAR TOO& WHAT, WHAT WAS THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE. THE R-2, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY GO OFF OF. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD HAVE FIT WITHH& THE ORIGINAL PLAN? I KNOW THEY WERE SMALLER. IT WAS 13 MORE. 
          OKAY. YOU HAD 70 LIKE 70. THEY WERE SMALL. I MEAN THE MINIMUM WIDTH WAS LIKE 45FT AND SOME 43 AND SOME. AND I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE GOT THROUGH LIKE THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF THIS. 
          IT WAS DENIED IMMEDIATELY. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MEET THE MINIMUMS OF SUBDIVISION CODE, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T USE ZONING TO DENY A PLAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING REQUIRED AND THEY'RE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS. EXACTLY. IF& THEY WEREN'T MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS THEN YOU COULD DEN& IT. BUT THEY ARE AND IT'S PRETT& MUCH TOO LATE FOR THE ZONING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE ZONEE& THAT IT WAS IT WAS GRANTED. AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE, THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE, OF THE R-2. UNDERSTOOD. THE STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD IF WE MAKE A MOTION JUST JUST SO THAT JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS 911 AND THEN THAT'S IT. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, THEY MEET ALL THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO. DO WE HAVE A MOTION I WANT TO MOVE FOR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT ALL PENDING STAFF COMMENTS BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO PRESENTATION BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? DO WE HAVE& A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY, LET'S PULL THE BOARD. OKAY. JOLLY MELENDEZ. RODRIGUEZ. ABSTAIN. I'M SORRY. AVILA, CARDIN AND BORRELLO. OKAY, SO WE CAN GOO& AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM FOUR. C DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE VACATION APPLICATION REQUEST CASE NUMBER ZDV 24 0003. TO VACATE A PORTION OF A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND A TEN FEET UTILITY EASEMENT ON A PORTION OF LOTS ONE THROUGH TEN, BLOCK 19 AND LOTS ONE THROUGH 11, BLOCK 22 PRICING COUNTY COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES, UNIT THREE, TOWN OF HORIZON CITY, EL PASO COUNTY, TEXAS TOO& INCORPORATE AND MAKE FULL USE O& THE PROPERTY. CITY INITIATED VACATION I MR. CHAIR, WE'RE REQUESTING TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM. THE CITY IS STILL WORKING ON ON ON ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY. IT'S STILL NOT THEIRS. OKAY, SO WE WOULD BE POSTING INCORRECTLY IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THE CASE. SO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT. I THINK WITHIN A WEEK THEY'LL THEY'LL FINISH THE CLOSING ON THOSE PROPERTIES. IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY WE'LL SEE IT NEXT NEXT MONTH THEN. YES, SIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YES. 
          ON THIS ITEM. THE STAFF REPORT UNDER HORIZON REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, SPECTRUM AND AT&T. ALL OF THOSE WERE LEFT VERSUS THE FIRST ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE US FOR THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. IT JUST HAD NO COMMENT. WILL THOSE BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSEDD& THE ITEMS POSTPONED AND HAVEE& MORE TIME TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE? SO TYPICALLY, SIR, IF THEY'RE LEFT BLANK OR WE JUST PUT NO COMMENTS, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AGENCY AND TYPICALLY AIR MUD WON'T COMMENT. WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL 
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COMMENT ONLY ON THE APPLICATION TO SUBMIT FOR SERVICE THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY. LIKE THEY THEY DON'T DO THE PONDING, NONE OF THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL LIKE CITY. SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT. OKAY, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON YOUR QUESTION. SO THEY ARE MADE AWARE OF THIS. THEY JUST YES SIR. THEY JUST SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TOO& COMMENT ON IT. WE SEND ALL WE SEND FIRE, WE SEND MUD. YOU KNOW, ALL THESE EXTERNAL AGENCIES THAT DISTRIBUTION. AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY GIVE US COM& IN, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T RARELY DO THEY EVER. OKAY. IN THIS CAS& WE ALSO GOT AND I FORGOT TOO& BRING IT UP. WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM TEXDOT AS FAR AS THE CONTINUATION OF THE TRAIL THAT'S THERE. WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH WITH THE APPLICANT AND TEXDOT ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS O& THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD PREFER THE TRAIL TO BE CONTINUED THAN SIDEWALKS. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT HAD GIVEN THEM THE OPTIONN& OF SIDEWALKS OR THE TRAIL. BUT THE CITY PREFERS THE TRAIL TOO& CONTINUE THE TRAIL, UNDERSTAND THE MULTI-USE OR MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL THAT'S THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RUBIN??& COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL. 
          OKAY. I RECALL JOLLY I MELENDEZ RODRIGUEZ I AVILA. HI. HI HI. THANK YOU. SO WE CAN GO AHEAD 
          [5. OTHER BUSINESS]
AND MOVE FORWARD TO NUMBER FIVE. OTHER ITEMS. ITEM FIVE A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING MINUTES FOR THE MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2024. WERE THERE ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETINGS FROM JANUARY? I'M SORRY, FROM DECEMBER 16TH. 
          PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING? YES, SIR. NO. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? APPROVE THE MINUTES? I SHOULDD& SAY MOTION TO ACCEPT OR APPROVE A SECOND, I SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. 
          JOLLY A MELÉNDEZ. A RODRIGUEZ. HI, AVILA. HI. HI. SURROUND SOUND. I, I DO HAVE AN ITEM THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS AGENDA. ONE OF THE. I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE COMMISSION AND PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE. GIVE THE AUTHORITY AND INSTRUCTIONS TOO& THE TO MR. RUBIO AND HIS STAFF TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING RESEARCH AND CREATING POSITIONS IN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS ALTERNATES. I BELIEVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HAS ALTERNATES. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. AND THE REASON FOR THATT& IS THAT IT ALLOWS THEM THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WHEN THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS ARE UNABLE& TO MAKE THE MEETINGS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE MAJORITY OF US HERE HAVE OUR FULL TIME JOBS& THAT ARE VERY DEMANDING. THEY REQUIRE OUR TIME AND ENERGY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ALWAYS MAKE THE MEETINGS. BUT IF THERE'S BUSINESS BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, IN ORDER TO BE GOOD STEWARDS FOR THE CITY, AND WE CAN MAKE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, I FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK INTO THAT POSSIBILITY. SO I MAKE I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. THE POSSIBILITY OF ASKING THE MR. RUBIO AND HIS STAFF TO DO THE RESEARCH, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO AND, AND MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS INTO ADDING ALTERNATES TO OUR POSITIONS. AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TODAY IF I HAD AN ALTERNATE, DOES THAT MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST SO JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED TODAY, MOVING FORWARD, ANY PROJECT THAT'S DONE IN HORIZON, I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN AND SEAL. THIS WAS DONE IN 2023 BEFORE I WAS A PAR& OF THE BOARD, AND I WILL ALWAYS ABSTAIN WITH ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO BECAUSE I AM A PARTT& OWNER OF THE COMPANY. SO I'M GONNA ALWAYS ABSTAIN TO ANYTHING THAT'S WITH WITH H2O. BUT IF II& HAD AN ALTERNATE TODAY, I COULD HAVE BEEN STANDING AS AN APPLICANT RATHER THAN HERE. AND IT'S MORE FOR AN OPTICS THING. AND I STILL DIDN'T VOTE ON IT. BUT LIKE, THIS GENTLEMAN MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, WHY IS& THAT GUY SITTING BACK THERE AND IT'S HIS, IT'S HIS PROJECT. 
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RIGHT? OKAY. SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY BENEFICIAL. NOT JUST THAT,& BUT I KNOW WE'VE POSTPONED MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED COURT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. RUBIO, IS THAT THERE IS MONEY INVOLVED IN THIS WHENEVER WE POSTPONE. YES, SIR. BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY LIKE ON ZONING CASES, WE TYPICALLY NOTIFY RESIDENTS B& A LETTER. AND THEN WE ALSO PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER. SO WE DO IT TWICE. SO IF IT GETS POSTPONED, WE HAVE TO DO IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. LIKE THAT CASE THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ HAD FOR THE REZONING. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT GOT POSTPONED, LIKE I THINK LIKE FIVE TIMES BECAUSE WE COULDN'TT& GET A QUORUM, RIGHT? SO WE HAD TO DO IT EVERY TIME. I TOLD HIM IF I COULD JOIN, IF I COULD BEE& PART OF THE QUORUM. MR. BUT ABSTAIN. YEAH. MR. RUBIO, I WANTED TO CLARIFY. ARE WE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? TECHNICALLY, IT WASN'T POSTED I& OUR AGENDA, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCEE& WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WHICH REQUIRES THAT ANYTHING UP FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION BE POSTED WITH A 72 HOUR REQUIREMENT. SO I JUST WANT TOO& CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE EVEN ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SINCE IT'S NOT LISTED. SO AGENDA THE CHAIR BROUGHT IT UP AS OTHER BUSINESS& AND IT'S DIRECTION THAT HE'S GIVING TO STAFF. IT'S NOT REALL& LIKE AN ITEM PER SE. IT'S JUST DIRECTION THAT HE'S GIVING TO. OKAY. SO THE CHAIR MAY GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON FUTURE AGENDAS TO ADD STUFF. AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. SO THIS IS ONLY A DISCUSSION ITEM, NOT AN ACTION ITEM. NOT AN ACTION ITEM. CORRECT. IT'S IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION. THAT'S IT. OKAY. SO THEN REPHRASE IT. SO I WILL REPHRASE& IT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS BUT. 
          DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING THIS TO THE NEXT. AGENDA ITEM. YEAH. THE QUESTION FOR THAT IS THAT IS IT HARDER TO GE& AN APPOINTED ONE WHEN YOU AND YOU CAN'T GET THE STAFF COMPLETE STAFF? WELL, SEE, THE WAY THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WORKS ISS& THAT THEY HAVE ALL THEIR, THEIR PERMANENT RIGHT. AND THEN THEY HAVE THESE ALTERNATES. SO LIKEE& WHEN WE CAN'T GET SOMEBODY TOO& COME IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY OR WHATEVER, WE CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON THE ALTERNATESS& AND THEY'LL COME IN AND BUT WIT& THEM IT'S EVEN BETTER BECAUSE THE ALTERNATES SHOW UP REGARDLESS. YEAH. SO JUST TOO& ADD, SINCE WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THIS AND YOU DID REQUEST THE BOARD TO COMMENT ON IT, I WAS PART OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADMINISTRATION WITH THE CITY OF& EL PASO, AND THEY DO HAVE ALTERNATES, AND 90% OF THE TIME BOTH OF US SHOWED UP BECAUSE I WAS FOR DISTRICT THREE, AND SOMETIMES IT WAS JUST THE SAME, LIKE BOTH ME AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WERE ALWAYS THERE AND WE WERE PART OF THE SAME DISTRICT. SO HE GOT TO SIT OUT THERE WHILE YOU SAT OUT HERE. THEY HAD ROOM FOR BOTH. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IF YOU DO THAT, I MEAN, YOU GOT PLENTY OF SEATS, BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WHERE YOU JUST SEND THE INVITE TO EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S THE WAY THE ZONING BOARD WANTED. THE ISSUE WITH THAT WE RAN INTO WAS IF YOU IF YOU ONLY NEED FIVE FOR QUORUM, RIGHT. AND LET'S SAY TWO FROM DISTRICT THREE, TWO FROM DISTRICT FOUR AND ONE FROM DISTRICT ONE SHOWED UP. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S LIKE SEVEN DISTRICTS OR SOMETHING. SOME OF THE DISTRICTS WEREN'T REPRESENTED. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE HEREE& BECAUSE IT'S NOT BROKEN UP INTO DISTRICTS. IT'S JUST THE TOWN OF HORIZON. BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. IF YOU IF YOU SET THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENTS NOW ANDD& HORIZON CONTINUES TO GROW. SAY YOU GUYS GET ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW. DOESN'T YOUR LIMITS THE PART OF YOUR ETJ IS YOU TAKE OVER AREAS WHERE ASCENSION IS AND YOU CONTINUE T& GROW, AND YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU DO HAVE DISTRICTS THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE IN THAT WOULDN'T BE REPRESENTED. EXACTLY. THE ALTERNATES ARE AT LARGE, OR ARE THEY ASSIGNED TOO& SEAT? NO, I THINK THEY'RE AT LARGE. OKAY. I JUST SEE THEM AS ALTERNATES. RIGHT. AND THEN IT'& ANY DISTRICT. WE CAN SEE THEM WHEREVER THERE'S A OPEN SEAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? WITH HOW MANY ADJUSTMENTS? YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I PLAY SEVEN, WOULD COUNCILMAN MENDOZA NEED TOO& APPOINT SOMEONE THAT COULD ONLY& BE MY ALTERNATE? OR WOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL BE ABLE TO? THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS JUST THAT LARGE. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE. 
          THEY DON'T APPOINT THEM BY BY PLACE. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE??& THAT'S ONLY ON. WE HAVE, I THINK THE SAME NUMBER, I BELIEVE NINE& AND NINE I BELIEVE SO, NO, NO, NO THE, THE ALTERNATES IS ONLY 3 OR 4 ALTERNATES AND THEN ALL THE REGULAR MEMBERS. YEAH. I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT MAKING QUORUM. IF W& HAD THREE ALTERNATES. RIGHT. WE'D HAVE ENOUGH SEATS IF EVERYONE SHOWED UP. RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. IT'S A GOOD THING. NOT OPPOSED. YEAH. AND WE TYPICALLY HAVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT GO BACK AND FORTH. SOME WANT TO BE THERE REGULAR. AND THEN NOW THEY WANT 
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TO BE ALTERNATE OR ALTERNATES THAT WANT TO BE REGULAR, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WORKS OUT GREAT OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 668 WAS JUST A REMINDER ABOUT 
          [6. ANNOUNCEMENTS]
THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING. FOR THOSE THAT STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED IT. YOU KNOW IF YOU NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WHATEVER WE CAN GET IT TO HELP TO HELP YOU OUT. MR. RUIZ HAS LEFT EVERYBODY'S EMAIL ON THE DESK SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOUR EMAIL OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IT SO THAT YOU CAN TRY TO ACCESS IT IF YOU HAVE IT. ALSO, THE TO ACCESS THE CYBERSECURITY, YOU JUST NEED TO& ON THE SEARCH OUTLOOK. YOU JUST& NEED TO THROW IN THERE CYBER DON'T DO THE WHOLE CYBER SECURITY. JUST DO CYBER. AND IT SHOULD POP UP OKAY. BECAUSE TYPICALLY THEY'LL SEND YOU LIKE A REMINDER TO DO THE TRAINING. AND WE'LL JUST THROW IT IN THERE. CYBER IT SHOULD COME UP. BUT WHAT IT SAID IS THAT IFF& YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET INTO LIK& THE OUTLOOK FOR, FOR LIKE FOR HORIZON, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD DO LIKE THE I THINK IT'S CALLED OFFICE. THE OFFICE. THREE 6365 365 YEAH, IT'S COPILOT NOW, BUT YEAH, IT'S CALLED WHAT IT'S CALLED. COPILOT. 365 YEAH, YEAH. SO THE BUNDLE OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT MICROSOFT HAS, IF YOU IF YOU HAVE THAT ONE AND YOU GO INTO THE OUTLOOK ONE, IT SHOULD GENERATE LIKE A LOGIN, LIKE JUST A REGULAR MICROSOFT LOGIN. AND THEN YOU CAN LOG IN WITH, WITH, WITH THE CITY ISSUED LOGIN. OKAY. THESE ARE CYBERSECURITY CLASSES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED BY WHEN MR. RUBY. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO& BE COMPLETED BY EARLY FEBRUARY EARLY FEBRUARY. OKAY. AND THIS IS A STATE MANDATED THING. WE SO IT'S LIKE DONE THROUGH PD. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE PRETTY MUCH LIKE SENDING US ALL THESE EMAILS SAYING, HEY, YOU STILL HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVEN'T DONE IT. OH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE HOUNDING US. ARE THEY THREATENING US WITH ARREST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT QUITE. NOT YET. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. YEAH. SO IF THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES, WHO DO THEY REACH OUT TO? SO REACH OUT TO ME AND I'LL GET YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE IT GENTLEMAN. HIS NAME IS JOSUE. OKAY. AND THEN HE CAN HE CAN TROUBLESHOOT YOUR YOUR LOGIN AND SEE WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON WITH& THAT. OKAY. IF THERE ARE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HERE& THAT HAVE NOT COMPLETED THAT CLASS, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT GETS MITIGATED? SAME THING IS LIKE TRY TO EMAIL US, TEXT US WHATEVER YOU CAN, EVEN FROM YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL. AND THEN WE CAN TRY TO TRY TO GET YOU IN CONTACT WITH IT TO, TO CORRECT WHATEVER ISSUE YOU'RE HAVING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS. DO WE HAVE SOMEBODYY& THAT'S REACHING OUT TO THESEE& BOARD MEMBERS RIGHT NOW? MR. REESE HAS BEEN SENDING TEXTS, RIGHT? TEXT, TEXT MESSAGES. OKAY. WE FIGURE IT'S THE BESTT& WAY TO GET AHOLD OF Y'ALL THAN THE EMAILS. BECAUSE I KNOW EMAILS ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A DRAG BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE IN THE FIELD OR SOMETHING AND YOU DON'T HAVEE& ACCESS TO IT. MR. RODRIGO, YOU HAD A COMMENT? WELL, I WAS JUST& GOING TO ASK IF IT NORMALLY GENERATES LIKE A CERTIFICATE OR SOMETHING. IT DOES. OKAY. AND THEN MAYBE LIKE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SERIOUS, DO YOU WANT ONE OF US TO MAYBE GET OUR LIST OF MEMBERS AND JUST DO A ROLL CALL LIKE YOU'RE DOING, BUT GET A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A DIALOG GOING TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE LIKE, NOW ME HEARING THAT AND I'M LIKE, DUDE, ITT& SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN FEBRUARY. I'M LIKE, BUT ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO HELP? I MEAN, ASIDE FROM JUST DOING OUR OWN FIRST, I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU THOUGH I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE THE INITIATIVE. WE DO APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S BEST IF WE JUST DEAL WITH WITH THEM DIRECTLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, TARGET ANYBODY OR POINT ANYBODY OUT. W& JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, HAS THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO GET IT DONE. AND IF THEY DON'T, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. PERFECT. THANKS. EXCELLENT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX. ALL RIGHT. NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS FOR MONDAY, MARCH 17TH AT 6 P.M. AND THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS I'D LIKE TOO& ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
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